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Ashoris
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#11 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:00 pm

Evilest wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:05 pm
Lets see:

free fetch on demand
free charge on demand
free almost spammable leap, with speed bonus included, on demand (and spammable with tactic)
slow, heal debuff, knockdown on demand

spammable armor debuff that with the rp armor debuff takes it down almost 2k at mid tree that includes the spinny aoe
spinny aoe which ignores 50% armor
armor debuff and spinny on 10s and 13s
further armor debuffs

5-6k armor with almost 1k autoattacks

makes the WE look like a sad joke.
this sounds more like a whine ... and Healdebuff+ armor debuff + KD is simply not possible.
Free fetch on demand is a joke :) you should probably try to play the class at least once before commenting
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#12 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:11 pm

Ashoris wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:00 pm
Evilest wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:05 pm
Lets see:

free fetch on demand
free charge on demand
free almost spammable leap, with speed bonus included, on demand (and spammable with tactic)
slow, heal debuff, knockdown on demand

spammable armor debuff that with the rp armor debuff takes it down almost 2k at mid tree that includes the spinny aoe
spinny aoe which ignores 50% armor
armor debuff and spinny on 10s and 13s
further armor debuffs

5-6k armor with almost 1k autoattacks

makes the WE look like a sad joke.
this sounds more like a whine ... and Healdebuff+ armor debuff + KD is simply not possible.
Free fetch on demand is a joke :) you should probably try to play the class at least once before commenting
Which is not listed as free. The point is that they have no real weak points.

Ashoris
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#13 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:32 pm

[quote=Evilest post_id=501867 time=1642428663 user_id=196996
Which is not listed as free. The point is that they have no real weak points.
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yeah while fetch, any form of CC and crit tactic dependent on a Melee pet is awesome ...
not to mention the additional AP cost on nearly all WL styles ...
no INC HD is also no issue ...
Dont get me wrong the WL is a strong class in some parts of the game but IT isnt without weaknesses.

especially the WE comment was not neccessary because the class isnt in a bad state (you could easily say that the WE performs better than the WL in many parts of the game).
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Ashoris
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#14 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:33 pm

Evilest wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:11 pm
Which is not listed as free. The point is that they have no real weak points.
yeah while fetch, any form of CC and crit tactic dependent on a Melee pet is awesome ...
not to mention the additional AP cost on nearly all WL styles ...
no INC HD is also no issue ...
Dont get me wrong the WL is a strong class in some parts of the game but IT isnt without weaknesses.

especially the WE comment was not neccessary because the class isnt in a bad state (you could easily say that the WE performs better than the WL in many parts of the game).
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Evilest
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#15 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:04 am

Ashoris wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:33 pm
Evilest wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:11 pm
Which is not listed as free. The point is that they have no real weak points.
especially the WE comment was not neccessary because the class isnt in a bad state (you could easily say that the WE performs better than the WL in many parts of the game).
Class design and balance is done in a void?

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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#16 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:59 am

1. Fetch and insta pounce are each linked to 2 different specs which almost exclude the other - fetch is still inferior to marauder. as an ae whirler you are fast and have great fun in cities (erm...no) but not an ounce of cc. play guardian 1vs1 style, you got pounce on a cd and a 2 sec stun and can fetch if the cat deems it right. but then relife comes and 1dots you to death
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noobwarrior
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#17 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:16 am

FinduilAsuryan wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:59 am
1. Fetch and insta pounce are each linked to 2 different specs which almost exclude the other - fetch is still inferior to marauder. as an ae whirler you are fast and have great fun in cities (erm...no) but not an ounce of cc. play guardian 1vs1 style, you got pounce on a cd and a 2 sec stun and can fetch if the cat deems it right. but then relife comes and 1dots you to death
that's a lie i need 3 dots not one :lol:

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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#18 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:02 pm

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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#19 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:53 pm

I play WL as main and only. Actual I can't tell what makes wl fun to play. To be honest I'm to lazy leveling another char to lvl 80.
I can only speak from the solo and small scale perspective.
Tanks and healer are a no touch. You can debuff armor but most tanks also have a good amount of toughness. Because of the high AP cost you can't do long fights. For healer you miss the healdebuff. The wl healdebuff is in such a bad spot to skill you can't really combine it with anything. So 6 out of 12 classes are a loose/no kill(if nearly same equipped)
Only spot WL can shine is against ranged classes. But due to nerfed pounce range and snare it's only a story from ancient times WL the Mobile hunter.
Against melee it's 50/50. Wl miss a heal by dmg ability like WE/chopper can bring to the battle. As wl you have to spend a tactic slot for a bad heal tick every 5 sec not worth anything.
For big scale battles wl is the wrong pick. Pet die fast in aoe and you are out of AP after a few seconds of fight.

Some people here are good in telling old stories and lies about the wl. In RoR wl is the most plucked class. A high mobile damage burst class got mobility and damage nerfs letting nothing left than old horror Stories.
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Gargis
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Re: What makes WL fun to play?

Post#20 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:32 am

Heal debuff in mid tree, and if you get it, your armor debuff is reduced to 1000. That is worse that a 2H IB speced in vengeance. IB s/b will have 800 armor debuff and virtually every spec includes Punishing knock.

The pull is predicated on pet which is cold garbage. Horrid pathing and easily killed. Anyone with a clue will strafe and hop and never get pulled.

To recap; WL subpar dps with no heal debuff, no functional pull, ST burst is a pipe dream because pet is crap.

Conclusion: Roll slayer, get massive ws and obviate the need for high armor debuff. Rely on IBs for armor debuff and outgoing heal debuff.

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