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How do we fix AM - Discuss

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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#31 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:30 pm

Telen wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:13 pm
Valarion wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:27 pm Shouldnt RP and Zeal be fixed first?
Just do the same fix as AM needs. Heal Tree Dps Tree Utility Tree is what RP needs too.
Zealot has best M1 in game and needs to be down tuned.
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#32 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:41 pm

Brizio wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:28 pm


Fair? We are talking about the worst healing class in the game.

Also this post is about healing AM, not dps. Everytime you guys manage to transform the topic to a dps issue because u d just dont care.
This thread is about AM(and sham) in general or the OP would have chosen a different title.
Healing AM/sham is bad you say? At least they have no butchered builds and are able to take all good skills in one spec.
Dying is no option.

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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#33 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:45 pm

Healing ams vs dps ams competing about who has it worse is not appreciated by me to be honest.

It doesnt matter if you win, the class is still bad in my eyes.

Fixed.

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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#34 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:03 pm

RP/WP have great synergy. spam cleanse. gcleasnse. aoe healing. st healing. survivability. procs. The Cole & Beardsley of WAR.
Thats heal ams problem. Also why you need another role for when they are together.
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#35 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:43 pm

A nice buff to healing AM would be the removal of the .ab ex remnants. So that 5 stacks of Tranquility means instant silence again.
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#36 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:21 am

Brizio wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:28 pm Also this post is about healing AM, not dps. Everytime you guys manage to transform the topic to a dps issue because u d just dont care.
Just a quick point about why talking about dps or heal am in isolation missed the reason why both are weak.

RP have a mechanic that focuses on healing or damage. It is the only healer that has a true heal focus.
WP are designed in a similar way but really should be in combat to use their mechanic to its fullest. They were meant to have very weak st healing outside of lifetaps. One of the balancing mistakes was giving them an out of mechanic st heal. They are also the only true lifetap class as they can use their mechanic on lifetaps as well as building it.
AM have a mechanic that focuses on healing and dps/lifetaps. As soon as you start to call an AM a heal or dps then you are ignoring the mechanic. Unfortunately due to design the mechanic doesnt work. The reason AM is weak isnt due to being a bad healer or a bad dps its due to a broken mechanic. Being a healer or dps on a AM is like playing a slayer at 0 rage constantly or playing a RP to heal in dps stance. Without its mechanic it will be worse than classes using theirs.

Both the specs share the same issue, not having a mechanic and both spec were designed to be inferior because the class was designed to use it.

Problem is do you try to fix a mechanic that at this point after 10 years of various changes I believe cannot work in application, or do you make the mechanic enhance spec which is pretty much a copy of the RP mechanic.
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#37 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:44 am

healing AM has long cast burst healing.
good at siege, large scale.
hard to use at roaming, small scale.

it's bad AM that using blind spam of g-heal.
it's player issue, not class.
good AMs are as good as other healers.

i trust my AM over WP in effect of healing.
survivability is another factor in overall performance, though.

for the mechanic
live version were easy to use. bonus was low.
RoR version is not easy to use. bonus is better.
mix them? something awesome when u have 5 stacks.
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#38 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:21 am

anarchypark wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:44 am healing AM has long cast burst healing.
good at siege, large scale.
hard to use at roaming, small scale.

it's bad AM that using blind spam of g-heal.
it's player issue, not class.
good AMs are as good as other healers.

i trust my AM over WP in effect of healing.
survivability is another factor in overall performance, though.

for the mechanic
live version were easy to use. bonus was low.
RoR version is not easy to use. bonus is better.
mix them? something awesome when u have 5 stacks.

:D :D :D
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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#39 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:35 pm

anarchypark wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:44 am healing AM has long cast burst healing.
good at siege, large scale.
hard to use at roaming, small scale.

it's bad AM that using blind spam of g-heal.
it's player issue, not class.
good AMs are as good as other healers.

i trust my AM over WP in effect of healing.
survivability is another factor in overall performance, though.

for the mechanic
live version were easy to use. bonus was low.
RoR version is not easy to use. bonus is better.
mix them? something awesome when u have 5 stacks.
I agree with your ending statement on the mechanics. Either something at 5 stacks or reduce stacking down to a lower number. maybe 3 either way? so it is less punishing in thos rare times you HAVE to spam groupheal or spam a single heal to keep somone priority alive. i feel like reducing it has no real affect on how to play them properly but maybe makes mistakes easier to correct... because right now, you make a mistake you are punished and most likely DED.

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Re: How do we fix AM - Discuss

Post#40 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:37 pm

Also, this thread was to talk about ALL things AM(Shammy) related... even if it mean talk about dps rotations. tree movements, how to buff/nerf OTHER classes to make an AM shine. ALL THINGS

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