White Lion Changes (8/25/2018)

[Mausini]

With this attitue are not helping RoR or the community at all.

So, when WL players complain about SH it's all for the good of the server and in the pursuit of fariness and balance, but when SH players point out they aren't as OP as you guys love to claim suddenly "this attitude is not helping the community at all". Cute.

As far as I understand my post I ask for stopping the OP'ness **** comparisons. I am not sure why you thing that swapping the argument to a "WL do complain" sight makes my request less valid.

I see a lot of you complaining about how certain WL abilities are weaker than Mara abilities which seems like a comparison to me.

Maybe comparing Wl and Mara does actually make sense of you try to mirror WL to Mara?

[Azarael]

I'll step in at this point and say that I take Mausini's points, though I remain committed to changing little if anything for the moment as a result of community change fatigue.

Specifically, the Monstro proc - its handling and power - are very difficult to replicate adequately on WL. Feel free to float suggestions for something better than what exists.

[mickeye]

Disclaimer: WL was mine first lvl 40 on live and I got her to rr100, so I'm an avid WL fan.

I haven't been playin WL on RoR much, although I got her to lvl 40/4x, but I don't see reasoning for such broad changes.

You wan to bring up WL warband viability? Ok, buff AoE capabilities, give WL AoE debuffs etc.
Want to tone down Guardian tree? Sure, change stats, procs, base damage etc. etc. There are many ways to do it.

But why do you change basic mechanics, core of the class? I don't see the reason for another stance based character.

Stances and stance mechanic is bad mechanic itself. It doesn't provide any benefits to the gameplay at all. Good players will get over it, they will adapt and work, but average players will only find frustration and restrictions in this mechanic. Add a pet to this and you'll see how will class population wane.

P.S: I had rr9x Mara on live and I do have rr5x Mara here, so I know how to handle stance dancing.

[Koha]

My WL is not in BIS gear (merc 40/40+), but I really enjoy the direction given to this class. Overall the result is in line with my gear level. It takes time to get used to the new stance changes (I have a marauder and a SW as well but still my brain has to get used to it on the WL).
Some fine tuning might still be needed for the loss of Primal Fury (marau and SW still have their 25% bonus) . I see some well geared WL doing pretty good with this new rework of the class like Bregon (no friend of mine but I like the way he get his WL in Orvr and scens).

[OldSparky]

My WL is not in BIS gear (merc 40/40+), but I really enjoy the direction given to this class. Overall the result is in line with my gear level. It takes time to get used to the new stance changes (I have a marauder and a SW as well but still my brain has to get used to it on the WL).
Some fine tuning might still be needed for the loss of Primal Fury (marau and SW still have their 25% bonus) . I see some well geared WL doing pretty good with this new rework of the class like Bregon (no friend of mine but I like the way he get his WL in Orvr and scens).

Bro - current WL has the dmg buff ability, its a 9 point ability in Axeman. Primal Fury wasn't removed, it was repurposed.

[facundo7777]

so finally wl is kind of joke and sh is unkillable for any order class. Balanced perfectly

[gandresch]

That was the worst change ever in my eyes. Just have to check how many WLs are still playing. It is by far the least played class now. That says everything.

[Aurandilaz]

I'm still optimistic enough, most changes have been in right direction and maybe with next patches WL will get better - just keep giving Az some ideas, maybe he will implement some of them.
Some of the cooler Mara stuff, like +20 crit or 50% target armor ignore or 100% enemy armor penetration ignore, or solid selfhealing would be nice to get eventually.

[Pkunk]

That was the worst change ever in my eyes. Just have to check how many WLs are still playing. It is by far the least played class now. That says everything.

It is so bad that the finger of God was taken from the kittens. I am sure that not being able to roflstomp anyone running solo, including we's who should be queens in that scenario, feels awfully unfair to the kittens. But have no fear, you will still remain
the favored target in a group for old times sake. You where basically playing t1 in t4 and you did it with no shame at all. Zero
sympathy for your kind.

[gandresch]

@Pkunk t1 to t4? Care to explain it in detail? What was so overpowered in t1 to t3 or even before the last guardian change?

Edit: for me t1 to t3 with the WL was some years ago. I agree the Guardian was just bad after the last change for any tier.

The last Guardian buff was bad and most WL did admit it. No one wanted it and if you read the Previous pages you would know it. Guardian had to be reverted.
For me that is no reason to completely change the class mechanics.