[WH] Regen/Defensive Witch Hunter

[Audiojack]

Anyone been able to get a defensive/regen witch hunter to work? I've tried several times, but almost instantly go back to my main build after dying over and over. Gersy (thank you very much for your guide by the way, that was a ton of work and great information!) doesn't even mention it, as it wouldn't be a meta build at all, granted I'm not looking for meta, just something to change things up a bit.

It seems that to get it to work would be a much tighter margin for error on gear selection/spec vs speccing a regen WE (which I also have), which is brain dead easy. I have tried multiple Absolution or Trial by Pain/Seeker's Triumph spam builds for consistent bullet procs, but to no avail. No build, even with +2, allows all utility abilities (Repel Blasphemy, a KD, Sanctified Bullets, Shroud of Magnus, Sanctified Oil, Punish the False) which means there is always a glaring weakness.

Builds I have tried:
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter Modified DG build. Can cycle Trial by Pain and Seeker's Blade to continually have guaranteed combo points and consisted bullet procs/healing. Or no Seeker's Triumph and just Abso-spam with another tactic slot to play with. No heal debuff
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter All the tools you want, but no KD. Same deal with Trial by Pain or Abso-spam. Fervor more effective as additional magic damage here.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter Swap out Repel Blasphemy for Pistol Whip. Banks more on regen and passive defenses with KD. Needs +2 though.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter No Repel Blasphemy or a KD, but gain Exit Wounds debuff.

Gear is your typical Fleshrender/Grimshimmer defensive rr points type loadout.

Just curious if anyone has had any success, mild or otherwise, with a build as I'm coming up short and would like another way to enjoy the WH. Any WH names who I should check out? Thanks!

....it could also all be for nought

[Sinisterror]

Anyone been able to get a defensive/regen witch hunter to work? I've tried several times, but almost instantly go back to my main build after dying over and over. Gersy (thank you very much for your guide by the way, that was a ton of work and great information!) doesn't even mention it, as it wouldn't be a meta build at all, granted I'm not looking for meta, just something to change things up a bit.

It seems that to get it to work would be a much tighter margin for error on gear selection/spec vs speccing a regen WE (which I also have), which is brain dead easy. I have tried multiple Absolution or Trial by Pain/Seeker's Triumph spam builds for consistent bullet procs, but to no avail. No build, even with +2, allows all utility abilities (Repel Blasphemy, a KD, Sanctified Bullets, Shroud of Magnus, Sanctified Oil, Punish the False) which means there is always a glaring weakness.

Builds I have tried:
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter Modified DG build. Can cycle Trial by Pain and Seeker's Blade to continually have guaranteed combo points and consisted bullet procs/healing. Or no Seeker's Triumph and just Abso-spam with another tactic slot to play with. No heal debuff
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter All the tools you want, but no KD. Same deal with Trial by Pain or Abso-spam. Fervor more effective as additional magic damage here.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter Swap out Repel Blasphemy for Pistol Whip. Banks more on regen and passive defenses with KD. Needs +2 though.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter No Repel Blasphemy or a KD, but gain Exit Wounds debuff.

Gear is your typical Fleshrender/Grimshimmer defensive rr points type loadout.

Just curious if anyone has had any success, mild or otherwise, with a build as I'm coming up short and would like another way to enjoy the WH. Any WH names who I should check out? Thanks!

....it could also all be for nought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7xpwDq5Xo

You should check out this WH,or any class on his channel/one of the best Solo roamers to exist in RoR. The beauty of WH is that you can do this without regen gear. Never invest regen in Renown training. https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;4;3;0;0;0
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter This is what i would do with +2 but this is THE spec imo RoR.builders - Witch Hunter If you want, you can take Crit dmg tactic and spec crit in renown. Flowing Accusations is must have with armour penetration tactic. Full beastlord is GREAT for WH if you are low lvl because 6pc bonus is super good.

[Tisaya]

I play def/regen WH sometimes. It's kind of good. Is it as good as def WE? Hard to say. No access to witchbrew, less bubbles, no AP regen from parry tactic, no -25% crit tactic...

But at the same time, WH has amazing on-demand RB panic button dragon gun provides some nice utility, morale pump and heals for each target hit, self-healing from ini-stealing proc is better than healing from healing-debuff proc.

I'd say def WH is a very niche, but viable spec.

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[Audiojack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7xpwDq5Xo

You should check out this WH,or any class on his channel/one of the best Solo roamers to exist in RoR. The beauty of WH is that you can do this without regen gear. Never invest regen in Renown training. https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;4;3;0;0;0
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter This is what i would do with +2 but this is THE spec imo RoR.builders - Witch Hunter If you want, you can take Crit dmg tactic and spec crit in renown. Flowing Accusations is must have with armour penetration tactic. Full beastlord is GREAT for WH if you are low lvl because 6pc bonus is super good.

Good ol' Mdpv, wonder how he's doing? To make this work, would still have to build offensively or at least stack weapon skill, as Blessed Blade is multiplicative on your current armor penetration, yeah? At which point, the build is sacrificing defensive stats, and it's less a defensive build and more a slightly-less-dps-than-normal-slightly-more-suvivable...build. This was why I often went with Seeker's Triumph in my test builds, as the armor pen was built into the tactic and was worded such that I didn't need to stack weapon skill, and Trial by Pain spam was more for the two bullet procs per channel than the physical damage. I'll still try out your suggested build and see how I like it, hopefully my napkin math is wrong!

I play def/regen WH sometimes. It's kind of good. Is it as good as def WE? Hard to say. No access to witchbrew, less bubbles, no AP regen from parry tactic, no -25% crit tactic...

But at the same time, WH has amazing on-demand RB panic button dragon gun provides some nice utility, morale pump and heals for each target hit, self-healing from ini-stealing proc is better than healing from healing-debuff proc.

I'd say def WH is a very niche, but viable spec.

Played it at something over cr39 with dominator or above gear? Mind sharing loadout if you have?

[mazi761111]

Last month mdpv was playing 5wl 4triump riposte build wh .

[abezverkhiy1]

Finally an interesting WH topic!

In all the fairness we (WHs) can’t get anywhere close with what WE’s can do in terms of defensive build. And after LV this gap is going to be even wider.

Suppose this WE build:
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,9437,9440
They have restealth, Witchbrew, heal with kisses, heal with Sacrificial Stab and KD – this is a very practical all around build. Taste of Blood tactic buffs damage by 15% that compensates loss in damage when stats get spent on Toughness, Wounds, Initiative – whatever they want to spent instead of Strength. And this 15% damage buff applies to healing through damage abilities. And they do not need to spend on Weapon Skill as half of the damage in corporeal, another thing that differs WE’s from WHs. WH’s can’t get anything similar to this build.

Now we have LV defensive set. When I mixed it with Warlord set, added Parry jewel, trained parry with renown points and took defensive LV weapons (not mentioning Righteous Steel tactic that WE’s do not have) I received 60%+ parry (70%+ with RS tactic) and with Ini buff from bullets my parry touched 70% (or 80% with RS tactic). I played it for several hours and returned to my prev gear set. On paper 80% parry seems very sexy but you need to watch your positioning (parry does not work from behind) which is possible in one-on-one but in many-on-many this is just not possible, you need to have good mitigation, more auras and stronger heals to guard your back. Sacrifices Rewarded is an awesome WE tactic that helps a lot but WH’s do not have it, Emperor Ward is much weaker. And an elephant in the room - you need to deliver damage but your STR/WS are gimped in this build/gear so all you can do is melt slower than usual.

So, my take away – LV set is going to make defensive WE’s much stronger while being a question mark for WHs. I think 4 Triumphator (incl ring) and 4 defensive LV may give WHs better options – Vicious Strikes proc and defensive aura proc may work together but I could not test it – I do not have this expensive ring yet.

That being said I still believe in def WH build. It just needs to be different from WE's.

[reynor007]

Last month mdpv was playing 5wl 4triump riposte build wh .

friend, I haven't logged into the game for over a year))

[mazi761111]

Last month mdpv was playing 5wl 4triump riposte build wh .

friend, I haven't logged into the game for over a year))

g unit say that is you