Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion and about 2h spec

[Battlefield]

I think it's pretty clear from all the conversations here that there is a significant area of lack for the KotBS class. We can all agree that it performs very well in one area (defensive spec), but is lacking in significant ways. This leads to non-dynamic play, and the ability to predict what you are up against, which leads to simple counters. The way to fix this is to make more of the other builds viable enough to where you won't know what you're facing when going up against an enemy.

I disagree.

The only thing the knight is really lacking is on his damage output. Everything else is fine.

And even that is questionable. While the Chosen itself can do more damage on its own, the knight is more designed to increase the dmg output of the whole group. In def and more so in his off spec. While also having the option of giving the whole group flat out 15% more heal, this tactic alone is super strong with the overtuned healing we have right now.

I find this whole discussion pretty ridiculous tbh. This game doesn't have mirrored classes and thus you are always better advised to play with the strenght of your faction instead of trying to counter the ones of your opponents.

Now almost half of all the Chosen are running around with Tzenntch's Reflection ability, especially those who play in groups or in WB.

I play for Order I constantly look at buffs

[Battlefield]

Reflection only absorbs spell magic damage not melee magic abilities like ib gets.

Here we go again, go and test it ! Why does no one want to read what is already written on the previous pages

I already made a post before I even died in order to test this ability on WH their bullets do spirit damage and WH has spirit dot and it was absorbed while there was a buff of Tzenntch's Reflection on me.

I didn't have chaos tactic that gives absorb, I approached the matter carefully.

Tzenntch's Reflection woks like the Runic Shield and Runic Shield even absorb spirit damage from Chosen

Spirital, Corporeal, Elemental it's all magical damage and essentially magical abilities and it doesn't matter who does it

[Battlefield]

give back "YOU WOT" to black ork thank you.

Make a separate topic and explain why

I also have Bork 70rr and I can say that it was obviously the decision of one of the developers and this ability existed in the game for only 2-3 years but I have nothing against "YOU WOT"

On the other hand, BO received an ability that gives a parry buff

[Sinisterror]

give back "YOU WOT" to black ork thank you.

Make a separate topic and explain why

I also have Bork 70rr and I can say that it was obviously the decision of one of the developers and this ability existed in the game for only 2-3 years but I have nothing against "YOU WOT"

On the other hand, BO received an ability that gives a parry buff

Its fine imo if there is some off topic talk that still relates to the actual topic. I originally was against blorc having You Wot?! and espesially against Grp cooldown Reducer. If grp CDR needs to exist it definetely doesnt belong to BG probably the strongest tank in the game, so Blorc is much better option. Id prefer neither but if blorcs get CDR to Waaagh skill without tactic needed and change tactic back to double WS buff! Remove 25% AA dmg from Waaagh if cdr is added.

Not in da face(single target 5s cd increaser) used to be brawler 9pts and THC 13pts and you could use it with shield which was best. RoR.builders - Black Orc This spec would then have Shield THC, Cd Increaser, 240ws buff, KD and 25% Crit dmg/20% Crit whilst being tanky and 1k Thc = The Classic Bruiser<3

Imo no one destro side shouldnt get grp cd reducer, except Choppa. Sorc Neverending agony tactic should stack with Choppa Cdr because obviously and it takes tactic = new baseline which stacks with everything, but make Lengthening Shadow increasing pos area to 30ft and increasing infernal wave to 80ft instead 99ft.

Choppa's should still get Furious Stompin with 24s cooldown on place of Gtdc which is removed. But at the same time magus/engi ae pull is back to original glory which means pulling people from keeps/wc's/forts/anywhere within range. This creates much more diversive and rewarding gameplay imo. Dying in mmo wich revolves around PvP is big part of the experience! its All of our fun depends on others dying=)

This is probably controversial take but it was possible with some addon to resurrect people in keeps/forts that you didnt have los on, so basically thru the floors/roofs. And everyone knew and used it and it was never removed so it was just part of normal gameplay that in hindsight made siege defenses worth it and possible. This also reduces the fear of dying because you can be ressed without healers compromised.

[Muurloen]

current build

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[punkshit]

Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.

This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.

As i said this affects the balance of rvr warbands, when on one side snb tank able to use wounds debuff in battles and reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents but on the other side it can't

Please stop measuring the balance of the game from the class you play!!!!
Kotbs is significantly stronger than chousen in a group.
Kotbs gives much more buffs to his teammates.
Kotbs has stronger auras than chousen.
The only advantage of chousen is that he hits with magic damage.
If you still think that damage is needed from a tank in a group - think about how you play.
Chousen > kotbs for solo (but is teamplay game)
Kotbs > chousen for 6-24man
2h or snb makes no difference.
Chousen is much weaker than kotbs in snb and in 2h
8X kotbs Madsarah