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[WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
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Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
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Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
The underlined portion, you mean? We have to spec heavily into our two knockdowns, and knockdowns are the best -dare I say fundamental- tool for a MDPS to secure a kill. There are so many other cc abilities, self heals, and escapes that a knockdown just negates.
It's better than stealth by far.
It's better than stealth by far.
Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
No difference from other melee, well except Choppa and Slayer, which is core lvl 30 but exhaust rage...velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 pm The underlined portion, you mean? We have to spec heavily into our two knockdowns, and knockdowns are the best -dare I say fundamental- tool for a MDPS to secure a kill. There are so many other cc abilities, self heals, and escapes that a knockdown just negates.
It's better than stealth by far.
WH and WE have 2 knockdowns, others don't have that...
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Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
You have at least one knockdown with any spec you pick, so it doesn't matter whether kd is core or specable.velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 pm The underlined portion, you mean? We have to spec heavily into our two knockdowns, and knockdowns are the best -dare I say fundamental- tool for a MDPS to secure a kill. There are so many other cc abilities, self heals, and escapes that a knockdown just negates.
It's better than stealth by far.
Dying is no option.
Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
Not true (inquisition), but supports my point anyway. It's foolish not to spec into it. While yes, it's in two mastery trees (not that having more than one does you any good; if you try to knock down someone else, the first guy has already gotten back up by the time the gcd is done and you've switched back to him), it takes up a spot in that tree that could be used for something better.Sulorie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:32 pmYou have at least one knockdown with any spec you pick, so it doesn't matter whether kd is core or specable.velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 pm The underlined portion, you mean? We have to spec heavily into our two knockdowns, and knockdowns are the best -dare I say fundamental- tool for a MDPS to secure a kill. There are so many other cc abilities, self heals, and escapes that a knockdown just negates.
It's better than stealth by far.
WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate.
Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
You always spec 2 mastery trees, so yes, you always have a knockdown. You don't spec mid tree and are done. You shouldn't kd someone and then hit someone else.velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:02 pm
Not true (inquisition), but supports my point anyway. It's foolish not to spec into it. While yes, it's in two mastery trees (not that having more than one does you any good; if you try to knock down someone else, the first guy has already gotten back up by the time the gcd is done and you've switched back to him), it takes up a spot in that tree that could be used for something better.
WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate.
Both classes are in a bad place, if used for something they are not made for.
Dying is no option.
Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
You keep making strawman points about things I didn't posit. :shrug:Sulorie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:47 amYou always spec 2 mastery trees, so yes, you always have a knockdown. You don't spec mid tree and are done. You shouldn't kd someone and then hit someone else.velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:02 pm
Not true (inquisition), but supports my point anyway. It's foolish not to spec into it. While yes, it's in two mastery trees (not that having more than one does you any good; if you try to knock down someone else, the first guy has already gotten back up by the time the gcd is done and you've switched back to him), it takes up a spot in that tree that could be used for something better.
WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate.
Both classes are in a bad place, if used for something they are not made for.
Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
You exactly wrote this but nvm, keep complaining about WH, if it makes you feel better.velenne wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:13 pmYou keep making strawman points about things I didn't posit. :shrug:Sulorie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:47 amYou always spec 2 mastery trees, so yes, you always have a knockdown. You don't spec mid tree and are done. You shouldn't kd someone and then hit someone else.velenne wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:02 pm
Not true (inquisition), but supports my point anyway. It's foolish not to spec into it. While yes, it's in two mastery trees (not that having more than one does you any good; if you try to knock down someone else, the first guy has already gotten back up by the time the gcd is done and you've switched back to him), it takes up a spot in that tree that could be used for something better.
WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate.
Both classes are in a bad place, if used for something they are not made for.
Dying is no option.
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Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
So.... I said, "if you try to knock down someone else, the first guy has already gotten back up by the time the gcd is done and you've switched back to him".
To which you said, "You shouldn't kd someone and then hit someone else."
So it sounds like we agree there. Two knockdowns is a waste of time. My solution to that would be to have a kd part of the core kit rather than something you have to spec for (ie, spend a mastery point; I'm suggesting you get a kd for free as part of the class itself. Maybe that wasn't clear.)
Then I say, "WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate."
To which you seem to say, "Both classes are in a bad place, if used for something they are not made for."
But I didn't mention a second class. So I'm not sure how your statement follows mine. I also didn't mention doing something WH isn't made for, so that's where the point about strawmanning comes from.
To everyone else: Is this person some kind of troll I should ignore? I see they have 4700 posts and so have been around a lot longer, so.... maybe there's a language barrier here that I'm not aware of?
To which you said, "You shouldn't kd someone and then hit someone else."
So it sounds like we agree there. Two knockdowns is a waste of time. My solution to that would be to have a kd part of the core kit rather than something you have to spec for (ie, spend a mastery point; I'm suggesting you get a kd for free as part of the class itself. Maybe that wasn't clear.)
Then I say, "WH are in a bad place right now. I don't see how that's up for debate."
To which you seem to say, "Both classes are in a bad place, if used for something they are not made for."
But I didn't mention a second class. So I'm not sure how your statement follows mine. I also didn't mention doing something WH isn't made for, so that's where the point about strawmanning comes from.
To everyone else: Is this person some kind of troll I should ignore? I see they have 4700 posts and so have been around a lot longer, so.... maybe there's a language barrier here that I'm not aware of?
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Re: [WH] As a 55rr WH, I feel useless in RvR
This is true, also it's true that the WE/WH is pretty bad on this server overall, so there's that as well.Nekkma wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:05 am Having played alot with WEs, both here and on live, I believe alot of WE/WH play the class in WBs with solo-mode turned on. Drop the idea that you stealth around alone, trying to gank some healer in the outskirts of battle. With all the cross-healing flying around that will rarely result in a kill.
Get a guard and be a part of the melee train.
But yea, out of all the MDPS classes, WE/WH players often have a hard time figuring out how to play in a group, esp if they don't have a lot of experience playing this game. In a group, a WE/WH is gonna play much like a Slayer/Choppa (with horrible AoE), and you will rarely if ever stealth.
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