[X] doubt.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 am I play both sides and I have to say, Order is in a terrible state of balance but has the population at the moment. Not a lot else going for it besides WP and Slayer being strong.
Do you even comprehend a text when you read it? I have said that all 3 IB builds are useful, BG only has 1 useful build, because the only purpose of a BG is to be a guard bot+crimson death spammer and a situational punter.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 am IB suffers from poor mobility and one viable build. IDK what Amdus is smoking but IB has one acceptable city build with punishing knock + AP tactic. That said, it is a pretty good class with a lot to bring to grp/oathfriend. So I don't think IB needs a buff, its just not as braindead as knight. What the IB buffs do probably need a rework with all the changes since live but thats about it.
Not a single one of the order classes needs a buff, this is just another thread filled with order biased pathological whiners, an extremely normal ocurrence for quite a long time now. You just complain for the sake of complaining despite having better tactics, abilities and more versatile classes. It's pathological.
Who cares? What's the main aspect of this game? PvE? SC's? It's RvR isn't it? Funny how you brush this off so easily. And what makes you think that winning more instances equals to more sov? You do know that if you get a bag in most zones, at the end of the day you collect more crests than by winning stinky 1 star cities right?CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 am Sure IC gets hit more but who cares so long as you win the instances and get more sov, which destro does overwhelmingly.
Empire are the strongest faction in the game at the moment. WP is unkillable, WH has every tool under the sun and in most cases will kill you under a KD, BW burst is absolute insane, 2-3 million damage dealt in IC as an average, and Kotbs is the most useful and resilient tank on both factions.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 am Dark Elfs are the strongest faction in the game at the moment. DoK is untouchable, WE has every tool under the sun, Sorc ST burst is the go to scen and city DPS now, and BG has amazing synergy with melee ball. I do not feel bad for BG in the slightest.
Dwarfs are the strongest faction in the game at the moment. RP is untouchable, Slayers cut through anything like butter, Engis are OP and IB has synergy with the slayer train. I do not feel bad for IB in the slightest.
High elves are the strongest faction in the game at the moment. AM is unreachable and even if you reach them you're permanently at 0 AP and fully dotted ready to die, WL has insane damage, escape tools and a pet, SW stacking is currently all you need to def a fort due to their broken BHA, and SM is one of the most versatile tanks in the game, it can basically do the same as BG and BO but better, and also deals spirit damage. I don't feel bad for SM in the slightest.
Forward proof on why destro is better. I want to see the math behind this bold statement. I want to see real numbers, not anecdotal evidence or your feelings towards it. Prove to us right now why is destro in a better state than order. Because as far as I know, order numbers in their abilities and tactics seem far superior than the destro ones. Want a few examples? here you go:CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 am Destro classes are generally better than Order and they exist in more balanced numbers. Doing weekend scens on destro is easy mode and on Order you need a premade before you even think about getting one win.
·IB:
-Tactic: [Sweet Revenge] 15% permanent crit if above 50 grudge.
-Ability: [Ancestor's fury] 75 base strength (Max 120 with full points) and 10% crit, also affects oathfriend.
-Tactic: [Greataxe mastery] 5% parry and 10% increased damage if you use 2handed weapon.
-Ability: [Watch an' learn] 75 base weapon skill (Max 120 with full points) and your oathfriend regains 25 AP everytime you hit something.
-Ability: [Stubborn as stone] You and your oathfriend get 236 base corporeal resistance for 20s, whenever you take magical damage only you gain 50% attack speed.
-Ability: [Stone breaker] Armor debuff based off grudges, max 800 armor debuff.
·BG:
-Tactic: [Filled with fury] 15% crit for 5s after spending hate (Only useful in Malice tree, you don't use any hate attack in Anguish unless you're a monstrous rending spammer)
-Tactic [Hastened Doom] Whenever you crit, you reduce the wounds by 75 base (120 max) and whenever you strike a target with murderous wrath or pitiless strike, increase your auto attack speed by 50% for 10s (Both effects).
-Ability: [Brutal Smash] 75 base strength (Max 120) and increases your willpower based off hatred, your dark protector also gets this effect for 20s.
-Ability: [Horrific wound] Armor debuff based off hatred, max 800 armor debuff.
-Ability: [Crimson death] 10% crit debuff.
REAL MATH CONCLUSSION. It's very important to note that this is pure math, not anecdotal bullshit.
IB Total stat gain:
-120 strength*
-25% crit
-10% increased damage (If you count the bonus meme tactic focused offense, make this 25% increased damage. If also using Bloodlord weapon, make it THIRTY PERCENT INCREASED DAMAGE.)
-75 weapon skill (BASE, if you put some points on the tree you get more, up to 120 at max points)
-50% attack speed
BG Total stat gain:
-120 strength
-15% crit (25% if they are debuffed with crimson death, meaning you must go malice to obtain this.)
-50% attack speed.
-Bonus meme tactic and only way to increase your damage: Focused offense 15% damage, make it 20% if you're using both the tactic and bloodlord weapon.
*Note that IB has 2 abilities that give strength based off how many points you have on the skilltree, whether you max out path of brotherhood or Vengeance you will always have 120 strength, the crit is not cumulative, it's the first ability on the vengeance tree, so it's always available to take once finishing tree of brotherhood, thus effectively always having 120 strength. BG will only have the full strength buff if he maxes out Anguish tree which almost no BG will, because the only viable one is Malice to become a guard bot and a crimson death spammer, which in any case it makes you choose between having crit on malice or be left out as a guard bot with a HOT based off hate that IB also has if you choose Anguish.
In any case I'm wasting my time. I have seen plenty enough order biased players making the most hilarious posts on this forums, and if there's something that I have learned is that you're unable to reason. You just come here to post X thing about how you feel and that's it, no amount of evidence or reasoning will make you see. You're experts at cherrypicking what's more suitable for your false and imaginary narratives in order to push whatever you want, and the sad part is that you have succeeded a few times with the chronic whining. It truly shocks me how shameless most of the biased orders are. It's like you don't want a challenging and a healthy game. You just want to smash us like roaches on every aspect of the game, you have no problem taking away skills and abilities from us and getting it for yourselves and even then you complain non-stop that destro is still OP. In ranked the Slayer train was unstoppable and WH's were absolutely OP. On top of that, IB is on a very good position. Same goes with scenarios. Order wins most scenarios in T4. Order has been on a daily double IC push for over 6 months, but you just simply dismiss this and brush it off complaining that destro is OP in cities. 4-5 W/L in cities isn't something to be concerned about, it's extremely balanced, as balanced as it can get. But playing with 180% AAO for over 6 months? Losing every single zone of the campaign? 10 mins left for IC to be ready to siege and order starting the last fort? 2-3 full guild order wb's chasing down loner destros trying to find their wb or forming one under 200% AAO?
I'm sure all of this has nothing to do with the majority of quitters coming from destro side. And look what's happening now, you're forced to play destro to even the things out because it has become too obvious and you realized that 1 star IC's won't give you sov fast enough. So you'll xrealm to destro for a while to create the illusion that everything is balanced so you don't get any nerfs. Truly shameless.