Return of Reckoning

TenTonHammer wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:00 am

Ysaran wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:36 am

Grunbag wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am to not completely rework the 5pts ability (AP gain) mybe this version would be better for choppa :

Still not comparable with Rampage. Fightin' Frenzy autoinflict damage. Even without the auto inflicted damage 100% strikethrough can't be compared with 20 ap/s.
I made a proposal in BDF, I proposed to transform the Keep On Choppin' in an AP stealer. KOC should steal 100 AP while furious and 150 AP while berserk to be balanced with the +75% damage in furious and +50% damage in berserk

Why?

Ap is a non issue with ap pots or healers suppling your group with ap

If you want to do an ap drain centric build for your group then Mara and BG are better for that

Just scrap the whole pve ap thing or minimize the ap granting aspect of the ability and give the skill a real effect

Ok, like what? I dont like the idea of denaturete Choppa, that ability talk about ap and then (imo) should regards ap. The best I can think is an aoe ap drain but would be out of place in ST tree. The fact that Rampage is useful in aoe is just a coincidence, the problem is not that a ST ap drain is to weak, the problem is that Rampage is too powerful compared with everything else. Maybe the better solution is to make Rampage a ST ability and KOC an AP drain

Edit: double posted the previous post.

Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill

Well to me it seems good, not only for pve but also let's you use flee into ap pot into that ability.

As flee is the only way to drop rage with power through/wot rules it shouldn't be considered useless in rvr.

AP value is pretty low though, and CD is high even with chop fasta. Glad to see grunbag give it some attention.

Acidic wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:17 am Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill

Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill of a ST mastery tree

Ysaran wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:19 am

Acidic wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:17 am Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill

Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill of a ST mastery tree

Yes

Ysaran wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:19 am

Acidic wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:17 am Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill

Marking rampage ST would bring it more inline with a 5 pt skill of a ST mastery tree

it's not a ST tree this is the buff/debuff tree.

TenTonHammer wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:49 am

Grunbag wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am to not completely rework the 5pts ability (AP gain) mybe this version would be better for choppa :

Sorry but that is an abysmal ability, even worse than what already exists

Self damage for ap? On one of the squished classes in the game, on top of the other self damage ability they have? Who would ever use that?

You can just pop an ap pot or have your healers supply you with ap in a group

they're squishy full red, not furious. and this is only an idea. Actually 5pts gives you AP, i was searching for something similar but more efficient

Ysaran wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:36 am

Grunbag wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am to not completely rework the 5pts ability (AP gain) mybe this version would be better for choppa :

Still not comparable with Rampage. Fightin' Frenzy autoinflict damage. Even without the auto inflicted damage 100% strikethrough can't be compared with 20 ap/s.
I made a proposal in BDF, I proposed to transform the Keep On Choppin' in an AP stealer. KOC should steal 100 AP while furious and 150 AP while berserk to be balanced with the +75% damage in furious and +50% damage in berserk

both damage boost and buff boost is always better in furious (look at rampage, duration increased in furious). there is no Finisher with better effect in Berserk .

Grunbag wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 11:50 am

Ysaran wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:36 am

Grunbag wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am to not completely rework the 5pts ability (AP gain) mybe this version would be better for choppa :

Still not comparable with Rampage. Fightin' Frenzy autoinflict damage. Even without the auto inflicted damage 100% strikethrough can't be compared with 20 ap/s.
I made a proposal in BDF, I proposed to transform the Keep On Choppin' in an AP stealer. KOC should steal 100 AP while furious and 150 AP while berserk to be balanced with the +75% damage in furious and +50% damage in berserk

both damage boost and buff boost is always better in furious (look at rampage, duration increased in furious). there is no Finisher with better effect in Berserk .

Ok, seems right. For what regard Rampage to me it doesn't need to be nerfed as long as GTDC isn't nerfed