Bleeding Edge is very good. Im having 70%+ armorignore from allsides for all spells, including autoattack ore riposte, when using frenzies everytime the proc ends. Frenzy- slicey- slice-frency and so on = permanent armor penetration. A two point frenzy hits like a slice or aw. And all this without positioning, so no dmg lost when not hitting from behind.
I think the calculation is: first yout base armor ignore ( with piercing armor, maybe 30%+) and from that bleeding edge 50%.
2000k armor - 600 (30%) = 1400 - 700 (50%)= 700 armor left
Just try it!
Only thing you missing is heal debuff but it has an enormous burst and range knockdown which works perfecly with pounce.
WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
Well.. they fixed bleeding edge and blessed blades. It was trash upon release. It looks good now.jughurta69 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 am Krima all time I never saw you post positive
Personally in my eyes you always exaggerate while bringing everything back to your gameplay
WE have more burst than WH yes WRONG
WH can have more sustain than WH yes WRONG
IMHO i can prove with facts..
Yes, WH have more burst than WE
WE have more sustained dmg than WH
Prove me wrong? I play both classes, my WH is rr 82 no biased here. Please tell me how WE can have more burst than.
-EXIT WOUND (5 accusations) (base dmg very high)
-AA
-Guarante bullet proc dmg
- Even more burst now with free armor debuff. Even not speeced burn amor fives 600 armor debuff, its good enough.
Now talking about sustained dmg, WE its superior due to TOB, PA (110 weapon skill) + kiss of betrayal or Witchbrew spec. WE dont have issues with AP.
Please try to google the meaning of bursty dmg and sustained dmg in mmo.
Even Teinhala said it that WH bursty > WE. Lets hear players who, play both classes.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
Important to take into consideration that you won't be doing any auto-attacks during RA/TbP channels.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
I'm just saying that your auto-attacks won't benefit from MoM or BE during an RA channel, that's all. Simply something to consider when creating your rotation.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
So "Armor Penetration" in getstats stacks with weapon skill armor penetration on your doll?Rumpel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:48 pm Bleeding Edge is very good. Im having 70%+ armorignore from allsides for all spells, including autoattack ore riposte, when using frenzies everytime the proc ends. Frenzy- slicey- slice-frency and so on = permanent armor penetration. A two point frenzy hits like a slice or aw. And all this without positioning, so no dmg lost when not hitting from behind.
I think the calculation is: first yout base armor ignore ( with piercing armor, maybe 30%+) and from that bleeding edge 50%.
2000k armor - 600 (30%) = 1400 - 700 (50%)= 700 armor left
Just try it!
Only thing you missing is heal debuff but it has an enormous burst and range knockdown which works perfecly with pounce.
If this is the case, then Elixir of Insane Power should also stack with weapon skill because it gives the exact same "Armor Penetration" buff in getstats. That's awesome if true, but threads here say otherwise.
Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
BE is additive but you better test your self on dummies with EIP, i don't use it. Eventually you can confirm it here.ctosterhout wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:12 amSo "Armor Penetration" in getstats stacks with weapon skill armor penetration on your doll?Rumpel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:48 pm Bleeding Edge is very good. Im having 70%+ armorignore from allsides for all spells, including autoattack ore riposte, when using frenzies everytime the proc ends. Frenzy- slicey- slice-frency and so on = permanent armor penetration. A two point frenzy hits like a slice or aw. And all this without positioning, so no dmg lost when not hitting from behind.
I think the calculation is: first yout base armor ignore ( with piercing armor, maybe 30%+) and from that bleeding edge 50%.
2000k armor - 600 (30%) = 1400 - 700 (50%)= 700 armor left
Just try it!
Only thing you missing is heal debuff but it has an enormous burst and range knockdown which works perfecly with pounce.
If this is the case, then Elixir of Insane Power should also stack with weapon skill because it gives the exact same "Armor Penetration" buff in getstats. That's awesome if true, but threads here say otherwise.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
I just did a quick test on the dummies.
Auto attack with Bleeding Edge + PA (weapon skill buff) = auto attack with just Bleeding Edge.
PA buff does not affect (or stack with) Bleeding Edge.
Does non-buff-based weapon skill (skill from equipment) affect Bleeding Edge?
I need to find some armor with weapon skill and no strength to test.
Auto attack with Bleeding Edge + PA (weapon skill buff) = auto attack with just Bleeding Edge.
PA buff does not affect (or stack with) Bleeding Edge.
Does non-buff-based weapon skill (skill from equipment) affect Bleeding Edge?
I need to find some armor with weapon skill and no strength to test.
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Re: WE- Ruthless Assault spec.
Here I did it out of interest.Rumpel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:11 amYes i think so but you better test your self on dummies.ctosterhout wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:12 amSo "Armor Penetration" in getstats stacks with weapon skill armor penetration on your doll?Rumpel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:48 pm Bleeding Edge is very good. Im having 70%+ armorignore from allsides for all spells, including autoattack ore riposte, when using frenzies everytime the proc ends. Frenzy- slicey- slice-frency and so on = permanent armor penetration. A two point frenzy hits like a slice or aw. And all this without positioning, so no dmg lost when not hitting from behind.
I think the calculation is: first yout base armor ignore ( with piercing armor, maybe 30%+) and from that bleeding edge 50%.
2000k armor - 600 (30%) = 1400 - 700 (50%)= 700 armor left
Just try it!
Only thing you missing is heal debuff but it has an enormous burst and range knockdown which works perfecly with pounce.
If this is the case, then Elixir of Insane Power should also stack with weapon skill because it gives the exact same "Armor Penetration" buff in getstats. That's awesome if true, but threads here say otherwise.
Attached is me without 50% armor pen tactic, and then with 50% armor pen tactic.
As you can see the damage increases massively so its a flat 50% increase to armor pen (for testing purposes i took my armor off etc to make it clear). Note that the first hit of ruthless assault does not receive the bonus damage. Another side note to bare in mind is that auto attacks do not occur during ruthless assault as it is a channel.
.getstats command also shows that you receive 50% armor pen, not 1.5x your current armor pen.
if you have the Exilir of Insane Power 50% armor pen buff and the 50% pen tactic, then you get this. As you see it doesn't stack, but it does affect the first hit unlike above
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