WE - Why is there no Burn Armor equivalent?

[Sinisterror]

If perma 20% 5s Snare is most op ability in this game,think about how sad that is. But Wh/We its easy to get 800armour debuff proc wpns. So the Minipounce on We "is better" but just because i prefer the spare moments when i can Minipounce on Higher altitude, its somewhat weird(not weird, great! but Original Wl Pounce needs to be brought to usable in air/after Kb/Pouncing to keep walls as well=)

[germ32]

If perma 20% 5s Snare is most op ability in this game,think about how sad that is. But Wh/We its easy to get 800armour debuff proc wpns. So the Minipounce on We "is better" but just because i prefer the spare moments when i can Minipounce on Higher altitude, its somewhat weird(not weird, great! but Original Wl Pounce needs to be brought to usable in air/after Kb/Pouncing to keep walls as well=)

10% chance to proc armor debuff on a sub optimal weapon is not bad, but its still not as good as burn armor which has 100% chance to debuff and will let you then use a weapon that actually has crit on it

I just dont understand the point you are trying to make, this isnt about snares and I would highly doubt there are any locations in any zone that you can actually pounce up using the WE pounce its range is very short and the tracking on it is very bad

Honestly its bad enough that most of the time if you're using it to catch someone on a mount that is slightly out of range, you will most likely not even be able to get the ability off as they run by you -- in my experience anyway. You almost need the same angle of approach as if you were going to open with a different ability which defeats its purpose

[germ32]

Shadow leap has 30ft range, pounce has 45ft range which is a significant amount.

I dont understand how a comparison can even be drawn here because in order to use shadow leap you need to be in stealth (which has a 30s cooldown) or you need to use Elixir of Shadows (which has a 1 minute cooldown) just to facilitate using this garbage ability instead of an actual ability that will deal damage like Enfeebling strike.

Pounce is significantly better by being easier to use and more effective overall

[Sever1n]

After nerf burn without investment reduses like 400 armor, in pure dps spec it became real crap and you forsed to use -armor pistol now. WE have WS prock on on piercearmor, and i think it staks now with ring prock.

Shadow leap is game changer when you figth kiting classes cos it leap+ 100%slow, when wh need to rely on slow shots that works really bad.

On top WEs in WB spec is king of prolonged figths tnx to bullshit shield tactic, kisses, and witchbrew that give u stable amount of dmg and not tied to crit, x3 poison+long poison and more than half on that is magical.

Only bad finisher WE have its healing one. WH dont have health redusing finisher that hit like truck. But "poor" WE keep these theme on and on that their finishers is bad. Well welcome to the club burn heretic and exit wound also very questionable ones, other ones is just mirror.

U practically asking to nerf WE in this topic. I would prefer to have shadow leap instead of that uselles mass burn cos its value less than on pistoll, and it still low compared to normal shreds. Before armor nerf yes it allowed you to go for fast burst and use crit pistol, after rework everythig changed.

Im watching one WE stream now, hes playing without any crit investment and beat "OP" lions like they dont exist in duels. That sheer power of all that magical prock, dots and witchbrew that untie you from crit and WS, leaving you ton of points to invest in def and allowing to eat any target when wh cam die from regen tank reflect when try to bypass all that armor (and no, torment wont help).

And of top of it all WE prob gave same combo of slow+armorshred senti daggers. I dont know about what this topic even. Wanna trade leap for armoshred that is uselles to you? Why?

[germ32]

After nerf burn without investment reduses like 400 armor, in pure dps spec it became real crap and you forsed to use -armor pistol now. WE have WS prock on on piercearmor, and i think it staks now with ring prock.

Shadow leap is game changer when you figth kiting classes cos it leap+ 100%slow, when wh need to rely on slow shots that works really bad.

On top WEs in WB spec is king of prolonged figths tnx to bullshit shield tactic, kisses, and witchbrew that give u stable amount of dmg and not tied to crit, x3 poison+long poison and more than half on that is magical.

Only bad finisher WE have its healing one. WH dont have health redusing finisher that hit like truck. But "poor" WE keep these theme on and on that their finishers is bad. Well welcome to the club burn heretic and exit wound also very questionable ones, other ones is just mirror.

U practically asking to nerf WE in this topic. I would prefer to have shadow leap instead of that uselles mass burn cos its value less than on pistoll, and it still low compared to normal shreds. Before armor nerf yes it allowed you to go for fast burst and use crit pistol, after rework everythig changed.

Im watching one WE stream now, hes playing without any crit investment and beat "OP" lions like they dont exist in duels. That sheer power of all that magical prock, dots and witchbrew that untie you from crit and WS, leaving you ton of points to invest in def and allowing to eat any target when wh cam die from regen tank reflect when try to bypass all that armor (and no, torment wont help).

And of top of it all WE prob gave same combo of slow+armorshred senti daggers. I dont know about what this topic even. Wanna trade leap for armoshred that is uselles to you? Why?

Yea I already addressed this, I understand that the meta is to spec witchbrew build defensively and not use crit. Not everyone plays like that, and those builds wouldn't benefit anyway from burn armor because they rely on magic damage from witchbrew and kisses, entirely different discussion

You dont need shadow leap for kiters, just use fleet footed pop flee and an ap pot and there you go

[germ32]

Also wounds debuffs really do nothing vs targets that are not at max hp, I really dont think people use heartrender toxin, if you were to just hit someone with an ability that does more damage than heartrender toxin debuffs wounds you would be ahead in terms of how close you are to killing a target

[germ32]

people are this pro shadow leap when witch elves have a ranged snare I'm actually taken aback by this haha I don't get it

[Sever1n]

They use heart render a lot. I often see like 1.6k numbers from it. If you use flee on shamie and get ap drain on top he will die from laughing.

WE only problem now that she dont have normal access to crit dmg tactic and and BAL power finisher if shes want to play without witchbrew in crit+ws glass spec. There where she uses heartrender. Ive met one we in that spec and she hit hard, but it can be used only to burst squishies in lakes so most of WE forgot about glass cannon build after nerf and marked it suboptimal.

[germ32]

They use heart render a lot. I often see like 1.6k numbers from it. If you use flee on shamie and get ap drain on top he will die from laughing.

WE only problem now that she dont have normal access to crit dmg tactic and and BAL power finisher if shes want to play without witchbrew in crit+ws glass spec. There where she uses heartrender. Ive met one we in that spec and she hit hard, but it can be used only to burst squishies in lakes so most of WE forgot about glass cannon build after nerf and marked it suboptimal.

Consider this a step towards making a different spec feasible again then, no reason we have to disagree. I never said I wanted it to replace shadow leap (even though I think shadow leap is trash) it could replace vehement blades which most of the time does less damage than the enfeebling strike

And really, just for the sake of the clarification when you wounds debuff someone it only affects their MAXIMUM hp. So unless you're using an ability that does like 100 damage and debuffs wounds by 80 in an aoe there is literally no point. Unless heartrender does more damage than any other finisher (and it does not), or your other finishers deal less damage than heartrender toxin debuffs wounds there is no point in using it. I don't care that people do use it, they shouldnt be honestly im sorry

[Sever1n]

In group figth that -1.5k wound shred is very valuable thing - its hard to heal some squishy target with 7k hp and prevent random deaths from oneshot. And i see zero trouble to pop it on 3 stick to instantly get rid of 1k +skill dmg health of victim, instead of poping channel or puncture. But yes burst spec of WE lack something like BAL, and WH lack something like WB for prolonged figths that will allow it to go same ignoring ws and crit build. Prob thats why most we now sit in def builds, while most wh stick with crit build. And stupid 50% crit tactic and healdebuff placement in trees forcing wes to play WB ruining alternatives. Prob turning sacrifical stab into something bursting would be good fix.

Ugh just checked sacrifical its basically puncture that heals, complete garbage in comparison to witchbrew. But again burst WE with staked witchbrew that open on you its oneshot, so in prolonged figths with resets her burst is still deadly. How i see it stack witchbrew on some target, stealth, opener, stun, healshred, heartrender, x3 poison+long poison/backstab spam,and finish with puncture. Wh have same crap but BAL instead of heartrender and it last tick overlaps with absolution that making it reallyy strong. Dif that we cannot always prestack witchbrew.

And about topic skill is weird, wh have mirror of it so you cant trade shitty skill for (was) good one from wh arsenal. Cos we will want we leap as compensation mirror change. Now openers kinda balanced.