Chosen VS KOTBS

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geezereur
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#11 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:48 pm

Chosen for sure.

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kmark101
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#12 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:16 pm

Uh, currently it's night and day in favor of the Chosen.

The simple fact that destro has 4 classes to debuff spirit resistance by a large amount vs. order has only the knight's own aura to debuff elemental resistance by a small amount destroys any competition between them.

Knight's dps was built around physical, hence Runefang gave WS buff and it was the key part of the whole class' dps. Sadly Runefang was changed for no reason, it's WS component was removed (and given to chosen for some unknown reason, they don't even need it), hence it completely nerfed the knight's small dps potential.

If this pointless Runefang change could be reverted the knight's dps could be improved. Other option would be to give some additonal elemental debuff options for order classes, but that would break the already immense BW damage even more, so it's probably not an option.
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jvlosky
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#13 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:39 pm

Jabba wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 9:58 am
The guy said he wants to know about '2h dps'. To which i replied that chosen has better damage than kobs, but comparing the overall use of their 2h specs is so skewed towards kobs that it's not even close.

Kobs has an extra interrupt
15% healing
they get a wounds debuff too
they get an aoe snare
they get an increased chance for targets to be crit (aoe)

All of which is more useful than what a chosen can do for their group.

2h kobs is basically most of the good stuff from chosen and BG rolled into one, just without damage. But you wouldnt be taking a Kobs or chosen if you wanted your tank for damage anyway,
I had to log in to show how little you know about each class


Overall Chosen is better than Knight across the board. Knight gets and interrupt where as chosen gets a silence on anyone who casts on them for 10 seconds.....


Chosen also gets a wounds debuff that isnt restricted to using a 2h it is called Blast Wave
Chosen Also gets Aoe Snare called Petrify
Chosen doesnt get a crit debuff with their wounds debuff but their same tactic in the slot is argueable as good as it give 15% crit and makes relentless spirit dmg giving another high pressure source of dmg.
Chosen gets 25% heal debuff on infinite targets within 30 ft = knights variant only affects healing output which means only affects healers. Everyone has to be healed, not everyone can heal. Chosen's is wayy better. So to combat this you have 15% heal buff for your party which is overridden by RP tactic most of the time.

Sit down and shut up plz :D

jvlosky
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#14 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:44 pm

Overall Chosen > Knight across the board

you can seriously just compare their abilities in the game or on the warbuilder and see for yourself.

-Chosen 25% heal debuff aura better than Knight counterpart. And better than 15% increased healing for a party that gets overridden by RP tactic anyway.

-Daemon Claw better than Runefang

-Spirit dmg based on ravage and relentless better than Knight **** ass dmg

-Chosen get to their max DOT pressure dmg in the use of 1 ability where Knight has to use 3 Blazing blade to achieve the same pressure on the DOT. 1 GCD vs 3 GCD for Knight. Also Chosen's is spirit dmg.

-Using parry buff and wounds debuff unrestricted on Chosen > Knight needing 2h for wounds debuff or shield for defensive buff.

-Having an ability that SILENCES ANYONE WHO CASTS ON YOUR FOR 3 SECONDS on Chosen is arguably better than an Interrupt on Knight...... Even if you have to spec for it in Chosen.

-Chosen has Touch of Palsy for high damage against runners, Knight has nothing like this lmao.

-Chosen is a better knight with spirit based dmg and more offensive tactics and a synergy with their own Magus who does spirit res debuff. Knight has no synergy or non physical based attacks (unless you are a **** moron and use mighty soul).

Literally across the board Chosen is better. The only slight benefit would be Knights crit debuff they have to spec if they use 2h cause wtf else you doing with that thing on Knight? You aint doing dmg.



**I highly suggest you go and compare abilities 1 by 1 before you come here and talk about **** you don't know about :D**

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adamthelc
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#15 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:02 pm

Petrify is not a snare and a slience is not an interupt.

Broad strokes have already been covered. Chosen has more damage KotBS has more support.

jvlosky
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#16 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:02 pm

adamthelc wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:02 pm
Petrify is not a snare and a slience is not an interupt.

Broad strokes have already been covered. Chosen has more damage KotBS has more support.
Were you referring to 'Slice through' then? They both have a 40% snare and Slice Through only affects 2 other targets within 15 feet. Hardly Aoe, which you also need to spec for.

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M0rw47h
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#17 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:23 pm

jvlosky wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:02 pm
adamthelc wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:02 pm
Petrify is not a snare and a slience is not an interupt.

Broad strokes have already been covered. Chosen has more damage KotBS has more support.
Were you referring to 'Slice through' then? They both have a 40% snare and Slice Through only affects 2 other targets within 15 feet. Hardly Aoe, which you also need to spec for.
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kmark101
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#18 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:06 pm

adamthelc wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:02 pm
Chosen has more damage KotBS has more support.

Please elaborate more support? Surely you did not mean better support since the chosen's heal debuff aura alone triumphs over anything that the knight can offer...
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Jabba
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#19 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:37 am

jvlosky wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:39 pm
had to log in to show how little you know about each class

This will be fun.

Overall Chosen is better than Knight across the board. Knight gets and interrupt where as chosen gets a silence on anyone who casts on them for 10 seconds.....

Except plenty of things can silence, interrupt isn't affected by Immunity so it's better than some crappy silence that gives out immunity you can't control properly.

Chosen also gets a wounds debuff that isnt restricted to using a 2h it is called Blast Wave

Except the guy specifically said he was asking about 2h builds, so logically we can assume the knight would be running a 2h lol

Chosen Also gets Aoe Snare called Petrify

Except petrify is a root, not a snare, and knight gets a mirror ability as do all tanks.

Chosen doesnt get a crit debuff with their wounds debuff but their same tactic in the slot is argueable as good as it give 15% crit and makes relentless spirit dmg giving another high pressure source of dmg.

10% crit for all >>>>> 15% for just the chosen who doesn't have crit damage tactics as far as I'm aware.

Chosen gets 25% heal debuff on infinite targets within 30 ft = knights variant only affects healing output which means only affects healers. Everyone has to be healed, not everyone can heal. Chosen's is wayy better.

Sure, the chosen version is better for large scale fights, but if the chosen is playing 2h, they're probably doing small scale as 2h chosen is terrible for large scale. In small scale other classes bring the heal debuffs, and they'll overwrite the chosens which is only 25%.

So to combat this you have 15% heal buff for your party which is overridden by RP tactic most of the time.

Except the effects stack genius.

Sit down and shut up plz :D

Literally every single thing you said is wrong, told you it would be fun. Now you've learned something about the game, go out and put what you've learned into practice little bird, make me proud.
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nonfactor
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Re: Chosen VS KOTBS

Post#20 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:43 am

As someone who has been maining tanks since live, Jabba is absolutely correct. While Chosen does more damage, Kotbs' 15% more healing, 10% more crit, and triple slow makes him a a much better 2h smallscale tank overall. No other tank can do passively as much as KOTBS can.

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