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wachlarz
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#111 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm

Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:17 pm
wachlarz wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:02 pm
Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:38 am

Man show me screenshot when GREAT choppa outdps GREAT mara, not talking about all trash bis geared mara that have no clue how to play. Same quality player. Iit mara vs best choppa you know.
My mara is already bis gear and don't have single city when any choppa outdps me in dmg, and im tanky build with only 950str.
I think U need start play profesional 6 vs 6 as monstro mara. I think all order premade will logout and wait when U end this dps madness. Find other mara monstro for premade party and devs for sure nerf this OP class. I see U like heal from monstro. Change meta in this game 3 monstro mara and 3 tanks in 6 vs 6 no healers, they dont make dmg and die fast. Dont use more str talis. When U will have 960 str U will make so big numbers and serwer will crash.
Why slayer play this same build in city and 6vs6 and mara cant ? Tell me this mystery ?
Monstro mara is for wb/city not for 6 vs 6. Sav/brut mara still much better than choppa/wl.(yesterday have ranked with Iit mara vs Koryll wl both bis gear Iit over 200k dmg done wl 113k, 10min sc with draw 0 kills on both side)
Switch build is only problem for mara, 6vs6 go sava/brut, city/rvr go monstro. Seriously so big problem to respec when its free?
Why U switch to sava/brut ? Monstro dont make numbers in small scale ? U write to nerf 50% crit tac !!!
Yes buff choppa its to weak !!! Welcome in destro side 😁

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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#112 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm

Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:42 am
Bignusty wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:40 am He was full rr80+ geared ... You cant ask to choose between slayer and mara slayers are way far better on aoe than mara maybe for your exemple mara wb was better than slayer one .
Usually you get bis gear at 82+ as a mara, so im not sure. This mara outdps also 87rank choppa.
And look at Librium he is not good mara at all and still able to outdps choppa and slayer champ.

One thing should be done at mara monstro buff nerf or bring back old crit dmg tactic. They can run now with 100% hp and deal decent dmg in every spec.
yayaya uber op mara Librium millions of dmg nerf mara pls.
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#113 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:59 pm

Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:38 am
Wdova wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:16 am
Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:42 am

Usually you get bis gear at 82+ as a mara, so im not sure. This mara outdps also 87rank choppa.
And look at Librium he is not good mara at all and still able to outdps choppa and slayer champ.

One thing should be done at mara monstro buff nerf or bring back old crit dmg tactic. They can run now with 100% hp and deal decent dmg in every spec.
I was in city where bis geared choppa outdpsed bis geared mara by 1 million damage. Mara does not hit as hard as choppa. His damage comes from demolition + channel which hit all targets in range combined with jagged edge.
Theres definitely no need to nerf we talk about mara. Maybe light buffs in single target department( bring back wounds debuff value from prenerf and bring it back down in tree where it originaly was) 2H slayer's wounds debuff is higher than marauders curently.
Man show me screenshot when GREAT choppa outdps GREAT mara, not talking about all trash bis geared mara that have no clue how to play. Same quality players. Iit mara vs best choppa you know.
My mara is already bis gear and don't have single city when any choppa outdps me in dmg, and im tanky build with only 950str.
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Arwhin and Brodda both BiS rr80++ and know how to play their class, I know both of them. Idk Hoju tho.
I can provide a ton more of those :D unfortunately we didnt take screen when we ran alliance wb and our 4 choppas all were top dmg and then our two mara
I mean we can throw screens at each other for eternity and get no consensus I guess just wanted to throw this one in here.
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Sofong
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#114 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:59 pm

wachlarz wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm
Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:17 pm
wachlarz wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:02 pm

I think U need start play profesional 6 vs 6 as monstro mara. I think all order premade will logout and wait when U end this dps madness. Find other mara monstro for premade party and devs for sure nerf this OP class. I see U like heal from monstro. Change meta in this game 3 monstro mara and 3 tanks in 6 vs 6 no healers, they dont make dmg and die fast. Dont use more str talis. When U will have 960 str U will make so big numbers and serwer will crash.
Why slayer play this same build in city and 6vs6 and mara cant ? Tell me this mystery ?
Monstro mara is for wb/city not for 6 vs 6. Sav/brut mara still much better than choppa/wl.(yesterday have ranked with Iit mara vs Koryll wl both bis gear Iit over 200k dmg done wl 113k, 10min sc with draw 0 kills on both side)
Switch build is only problem for mara, 6vs6 go sava/brut, city/rvr go monstro. Seriously so big problem to respec when its free?
Why U switch to sava/brut ? Monstro dont make numbers in small scale ? U write to nerf 50% crit tac !!!
Yes buff choppa its to weak !!! Welcome in destro side 😁
sav/brut mara still pretty bad for 6v6 due to low mobility and no KD on demand, especially bad vs double/triple pounce grp.

Mergrim
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#115 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:07 pm

Pandastyle wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:59 pm
Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:38 am
Wdova wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:16 am

I was in city where bis geared choppa outdpsed bis geared mara by 1 million damage. Mara does not hit as hard as choppa. His damage comes from demolition + channel which hit all targets in range combined with jagged edge.
Theres definitely no need to nerf we talk about mara. Maybe light buffs in single target department( bring back wounds debuff value from prenerf and bring it back down in tree where it originaly was) 2H slayer's wounds debuff is higher than marauders curently.
Man show me screenshot when GREAT choppa outdps GREAT mara, not talking about all trash bis geared mara that have no clue how to play. Same quality players. Iit mara vs best choppa you know.
My mara is already bis gear and don't have single city when any choppa outdps me in dmg, and im tanky build with only 950str.
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Arwhin and Brodda both BiS rr80++ and know how to play their class, I know both of them. Idk Hoju tho.
I can provide a ton more of those :D unfortunately we didnt take screen when we ran alliance wb and our 4 choppas all were top dmg and then our two mara
I mean we can throw screens at each other for eternity and get no consensus I guess just wanted to throw this one in here.
Like i write before Librium is not good mara at all and he able to outdps choppa 87 and slayer 85 champ.
Brodda is really weak to and he is not bis. It's same like Rolgrom. Leader but weak player . Bis for mara is 5sove 2conq 2 senti and he mix 5sove with something i don't remember what.
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#116 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:13 pm

Sofong wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:59 pm
wachlarz wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm
Mergrim wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:17 pm

Monstro mara is for wb/city not for 6 vs 6. Sav/brut mara still much better than choppa/wl.(yesterday have ranked with Iit mara vs Koryll wl both bis gear Iit over 200k dmg done wl 113k, 10min sc with draw 0 kills on both side)
Switch build is only problem for mara, 6vs6 go sava/brut, city/rvr go monstro. Seriously so big problem to respec when its free?
Why U switch to sava/brut ? Monstro dont make numbers in small scale ? U write to nerf 50% crit tac !!!
Yes buff choppa its to weak !!! Welcome in destro side 😁
sav/brut mara still pretty bad for 6v6 due to low mobility and no KD on demand, especially bad vs double/triple pounce grp.
Would you slot the equivalent of Guerilla Training in the 4th tactic slot if Tainted Claw became a baseline 50% heal debuff?
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#117 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:49 pm

Mergrim wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:38 pm
Bignusty wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pm I was on a city last night whit a mara aoe tard and champion on P3 wrecking ball everywhere you want to know the result ? just 19 kill and outdamaged by a non champion sorcerer dps .
There is a lot crap mara around thats said this class is weak.
Look at this city...look where is mara and where is choppa or slayer.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/943336702

Lets compare mara champ to slayer champ.
Shauril 81 mara(probably still not bis gear) 29kills 1 dead 5kk+ dmg done, normal armor and resist +ignore armor penetration 100%, 1k heal in 5sec(70-90% uptime)
vs
Zunig 85 slayer(probably bis) 11 kills 8 dead 3.27kkdmg done, maybe some ppl not notice he play with 100% rage uptime, so half armor and resist.

What you choose?

Still don't get why this monstro buff exist. It was broken on live server and its broken here. They made a bad change by giving the marauder 50% crit dmg tactic.
As you know dmg done in city instance which lasts more than one hours is influenced by so many factors. That means its almost pointless compare one char dmg to other taking only gear and player into account. Everything has impact on such number - positioning and who you attack, how good are opposite tanks in rotating challenges and bellows, how mobile are opposite healers etc etc. Watch closely linked twitch video, gravord is known for frontal attack on SL due to "rampage illusion" so he very often just aoe tanks on front line, opposite to maras blob which very often land their blows on 2nd line.
I`d like to also remind that if you are above invader gear + more impact on your performance got "how" you play and "who" you play with, that "what" you play.

Mergrim
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#118 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:05 pm

Phantasm wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:49 pm
Mergrim wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:38 pm
Bignusty wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pm I was on a city last night whit a mara aoe tard and champion on P3 wrecking ball everywhere you want to know the result ? just 19 kill and outdamaged by a non champion sorcerer dps .
There is a lot crap mara around thats said this class is weak.
Look at this city...look where is mara and where is choppa or slayer.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/943336702

Lets compare mara champ to slayer champ.
Shauril 81 mara(probably still not bis gear) 29kills 1 dead 5kk+ dmg done, normal armor and resist +ignore armor penetration 100%, 1k heal in 5sec(70-90% uptime)
vs
Zunig 85 slayer(probably bis) 11 kills 8 dead 3.27kkdmg done, maybe some ppl not notice he play with 100% rage uptime, so half armor and resist.

What you choose?

Still don't get why this monstro buff exist. It was broken on live server and its broken here. They made a bad change by giving the marauder 50% crit dmg tactic.
As you know dmg done in city instance which lasts more than one hours is influenced by so many factors. That means its almost pointless compare one char dmg to other taking only gear and player into account. Everything has impact on such number - positioning and who you attack, how good are opposite tanks in rotating challenges and bellows, how mobile are opposite healers etc etc. Watch closely linked twitch video, gravord is known for frontal attack on SL due to "rampage illusion" so he very often just aoe tanks on front line, opposite to maras blob which very often land their blows on 2nd line.
I`d like to also remind that if you are above invader gear + more impact on your performance got "how" you play and "who" you play with, that "what" you play.
So you think mara should outdps choppa? or this choppa also hit tanks?:D WL/Mara aoe spec need rebalance. Both 2 button class that have better survi/mobility and deal same/better dmg.

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Luthyen
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#119 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:08 pm

It feels like this thread is turned into a troll thread.

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palindrom
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Re: Your thoughts about Mara

Post#120 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:09 pm

Phantasm wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:49 pm
Spoiler:
Mergrim wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:38 pm
Bignusty wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pm I was on a city last night whit a mara aoe tard and champion on P3 wrecking ball everywhere you want to know the result ? just 19 kill and outdamaged by a non champion sorcerer dps .
There is a lot crap mara around thats said this class is weak.
Look at this city...look where is mara and where is choppa or slayer.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/943336702

Lets compare mara champ to slayer champ.
Shauril 81 mara(probably still not bis gear) 29kills 1 dead 5kk+ dmg done, normal armor and resist +ignore armor penetration 100%, 1k heal in 5sec(70-90% uptime)
vs
Zunig 85 slayer(probably bis) 11 kills 8 dead 3.27kkdmg done, maybe some ppl not notice he play with 100% rage uptime, so half armor and resist.

What you choose?

Still don't get why this monstro buff exist. It was broken on live server and its broken here. They made a bad change by giving the marauder 50% crit dmg tactic.
As you know dmg done in city instance which lasts more than one hours is influenced by so many factors. That means its almost pointless compare one char dmg to other taking only gear and player into account. Everything has impact on such number - positioning and who you attack, how good are opposite tanks in rotating challenges and bellows, how mobile are opposite healers etc etc. Watch closely linked twitch video, gravord is known for frontal attack on SL due to "rampage illusion" so he very often just aoe tanks on front line, opposite to maras blob which very often land their blows on 2nd line.
I`d like to also remind that if you are above invader gear + more impact on your performance got "how" you play and "who" you play with, that "what" you play.
How dare you be constructive in here!?
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