Is 2H Chosen A Thing?

[rTrSleepy]

Why are 2hKnights better in WB
Vigilance, aoe crit increaser, heal buff for grp, aoe snare. all good in wb play

and to be fair at high enough rr you can be viable in a WB, but SnB will be better. Very good in a 6man kite/ranged grp as utility but not as damage dealer.

Hate to burst your bubble but Chosen is nerfed into the ground on this server.
I know on paper you think "oh I can get 40% crit and debuff for my own dmg type, what a deal"
Truthfully, your abilities dmg contribution from str are severely diminished here, so there is a natural ceiling that you will never be able to overcome. From my testing it averaged around 40dmg for every 100 str. Also the trees are working against you, kd in the shield tree, wounds debuff in the magic tree, crit in the str tree. So if you wanna be in a competitive grp you have to pick up the kd without question, and all your dmg comes from a combination of the other trees.

The thing about 2h/kobs/cho is the utility you bring to the grp; auras, guard swapping, beefy wounds debuff, great cc, challenge, taunt
That's your job. Get used to it.

Sure you can put numbers on the scoreboards; fluctuation, dred agony, bane shield; but its all fluff.
If your looking for a dmg rotation: Withering, ToP, Taunt, Relentless
It's the definition of meh. Good for pug stomping I guess.

Honestly coming from someone who has played the class EXTENSIVELY you will never ever deal more single target damage than any other tank who is actively trying to.
If you want to be a loldps tank, Chosen is the worst choice.

2h tanky is fun doh

[Tesq]

you fine for sc just stay away from rvr in 2h mode unless you have a 2h with a speed proc on it and you gank...

2hd Chosens are good for solo, smallscale/roaming but they are terrible in RvR/WB, 2hd Chosen brings nothing in comparison to what SnB can bring to table. Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

wont suggest any for wb exept 2h bg or BO, i had tested all for wb at diff and same levels and you are just handicapping yourself (aka the same thing you can do in 2h can be done in s+b or from other tanks better..), order dont have any 2h proper build for wb they pale in comparison to a bo or a bg; maybe 2h kobs is viable yet is not complete as bg or bo builds...

[TenTonHammer]

Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

And blackguard which is the premiere destro 2H tank, Crimson death hits very hard especially with crit proc and hastend dooms wounds debuff in an AoE

The only thing Chosen 2H has over BG 2H imho is the auras

[Xergon]

you fine for sc just stay away from rvr in 2h mode unless you have a 2h with a speed proc on it and you gank...

2hd Chosens are good for solo, smallscale/roaming but they are terrible in RvR/WB, 2hd Chosen brings nothing in comparison to what SnB can bring to table. Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

wont suggest any for wb exept 2h bg or BO, i had tested all for wb at diff and same levels and you are just handicapping yourself (aka the same thing you can do in 2h can be done in s+b or from other tanks better..), order dont have any 2h proper build for wb they pale in comparison to a bo or a bg; maybe 2h kobs is viable yet is not complete as bg or bo builds...

Knight 2hd with high RR and proper gear can hold himself long enough, also he has tools that can help him survive any burst, while at same time bringing AoE HealDebuff and AoE Snare. Ofc its still easier to go SnB just saying if u want challenge and know how to execute, there is room for Knight 2hd.

About SM, he has stuff like WSOD to protect himself, while he doesn't bring any big value as being 2hd, so u can only use him as "additional DPS" nothing more, probably just as MeleeTankyDPS.

Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

And blackguard which is the premiere destro 2H tank, Crimson death hits very hard especially with crit proc and hastend dooms wounds debuff in an AoE

The only thing Chosen 2H has over BG 2H imho is the auras

Well, can't say a lot about BG cause i don't played him yet(maybe soon), but hearing from more experienced and trusted players he is still much behind in comparison to Chosen and BO if we talk about bringing value to WB.

[Tesq]

you fine for sc just stay away from rvr in 2h mode unless you have a 2h with a speed proc on it and you gank...

2hd Chosens are good for solo, smallscale/roaming but they are terrible in RvR/WB, 2hd Chosen brings nothing in comparison to what SnB can bring to table. Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

wont suggest any for wb exept 2h bg or BO, i had tested all for wb at diff and same levels and you are just handicapping yourself (aka the same thing you can do in 2h can be done in s+b or from other tanks better..), order dont have any 2h proper build for wb they pale in comparison to a bo or a bg; maybe 2h kobs is viable yet is not complete as bg or bo builds...

Knight 2hd with high RR and proper gear can hold himself long enough, also he has tools that can help him survive any burst, while at same time bringing AoE HealDebuff and AoE Snare. Ofc its still easier to go SnB just saying if u want challenge and know how to execute, there is room for Knight 2hd.

About SM, he has stuff like WSOD to protect himself, while he doesn't bring any big value as being 2hd, so u can only use him as "additional DPS" nothing more, probably just as MeleeTankyDPS.

Only viable tanks that, can be considered as 2hd for WB are SM and KotBS.

And blackguard which is the premiere destro 2H tank, Crimson death hits very hard especially with crit proc and hastend dooms wounds debuff in an AoE

The only thing Chosen 2H has over BG 2H imho is the auras

Well, can't say a lot about BG cause i don't played him yet(maybe soon), but hearing from more experienced and trusted players he is still much behind in comparison to Chosen and BO if we talk about bringing value to WB.

it is much head in term of 2h vs s+b,

-aoe crit debuff
-aoe avoidance debuff (ppl always forget this , it's extremly good especialy for support marauders or choppa dmg or crow controll
-spamable aoe on rage
-can take aoe wounds debuff (in reality too low for wb build in toughness loosing 1 tactic to access wounds debuff; wait sov)
-now aoe snare is back
-can punch high avoidnce all around: 70%, 40%, 46% pre friendly hold the line; with 1 htl stack -> 70%, 56%, 61%
-cap toughness while full buffed, other tanks can forget this unless they loose in some other department atm
-conserve st punt for free
-have st KD
-have st crit debuff
-have an ap regain skill
-work on rage mostly

the only problem is that it's a high rr build (rr70)

kobs and sm be able to support the wb dont make em good 2h build class; both the sm and the kobs lack aoe dmg which bg have and you does note it when you play all of em. When s+b all have accesss to htl yet in 2h only bg have access to aoe potential. KoBS = a lot of skill with high cd which dont mesh very well for wb , sm = fail phoenix wing still a improved skill when that or either wrath of hoeth need to be a perfect balance...(like bo ..); chosen/IB with no cd reduction synergy = no aoe potential etc.
chosen especially have no way to have reliable avoidance in 2h and therefore is the most likely to not work in a wb.

[Skullgrin]

Nope, 2H Chosen isn't a thing... These aren't the droids you're looking for... Move along...

***shoots forum interface***

(It was a boring conversation anyway...)

[Panzerkasper]

Back in the good old days, Chosen had Crippling strikes, a 25% damage debuff in perfect combination with Rending blade (a signature skill for 2h tanks) to keep it on the enemy assist train. It got nerfed to s*** and then removed, although it was a vital tool in the destro setup.
On came Wasteland Ruse, an offensive crit debuff. Also removed.

So then we got Demonclaw, the second hand version of Runefang and there is the point: The 2h Chosen has no more group utility.
Nothing a SnB chosen could equally do. Auras are there, more stability, HtL and a KD wich makes more sense to incorporate into a SnB spec.

2h is a niche spec for smallscale at best, if you run like a 3 man group and miss some damage on the assist target. But even this a BG or a BO can do better.

[WARChosen]

the problem is this you can't simply take Crippling strikes and give us half of runefag with restriction ( 2h,need to be in dread tree) you nerf chosen about 70% of usage in warband, 6 man and just give us a tactic for solo only usage in a game that is based on 100% rvr

[Drozen]

2h chosen is definetly a thing, in my book it's not for the dps that generally is synonymes with a 2h but for the reduced CD on your kb. you will still go full tank as 2h in smallscale and let the BG or BO be more the offensive tank... Only my veiw on it, happy gaming with your 2h!

(Going dredd as chosen was for me went redundent with the recent changes of the chosen, CS,"runefang" etc.)

[germ32]

Unless you are grouped with some competent healers than can keep you alive, i would say use a shield for any fights greater than a 6v6. Melees are easily shut down by rdps, and tanks have no gap closer without hold the line, which means you will be face tanking any opposing rdps before you are even able to attack them. The bit of extra damage you might be able to deal with a 2h will be completely useless if you cant survive guard damage or you are unable to survive long enough to disrupt your opponents back line. Chosen auto attacks are also less effective than other tanks because they have no armor debuff, and you probably wont be stacking weapon skill because most of your abilities deal spirit damage. As a tank you already have high armor so the biggest threat to you is magic damage. Without a shield you wont have enough disrupt to be able to tank bws and ams, and without the dodge bonus sws and engis will be able to widdle you down, hold the line is underrated af and is your only gap closer.

Sms and kotbs can get away with using a 2h in more situations because they have WODS and vigilance which make them more durable with a 2h.

If you want to look cool, while dying a lot and focus on dealing damage just play a mdps. If you want to win as a chosen use a shield.