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Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#1 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:19 pm


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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#2 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm

This is the one I've been waiting for!

Great job on making this work. I'm surprised how effective it is. It's a pity it can't be run with SnB as it could give us a way of doing some damage in that spec.

One thing I'm curious about, why Da Greenest? As you're mostly coming up against one type of damage while solo loudmouth will only pop once every 10 seconds. I've only ever found loudmouth to be worth it with Da Biggest.
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#3 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:52 pm

I prefer greenest in most cases, as my resitances are bad and i will 100% forget to change it. WH/WL tend to hit a lot so greenest procs more often too, even if they parry your hits.
Really good players would keep swapping it mid fight, would be very easy with sequencer with 2 bellows too.
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#4 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:37 pm

Culexus wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:48 pm This is the one I've been waiting for!

Great job on making this work. I'm surprised how effective it is. It's a pity it can't be run with SnB as it could give us a way of doing some damage in that spec.

One thing I'm curious about, why Da Greenest? As you're mostly coming up against one type of damage while solo loudmouth will only pop once every 10 seconds. I've only ever found loudmouth to be worth it with Da Biggest.
Loudmouth procs independently of bellow buffs actually applying to you/target- Da Toughest will proc despite having a 10 second non-refreshing buff, so even if the buff is up, Loudmouth will proc on 25% of hits. Da Greenest is also a refreshing buff anyways, so even if you only get hit by physical damage, it would proc on 25% of incoming hits if the proc wasn't uncoupled to begin with. Greenest is for this reason technically the best bellow for LM deeps against more than one attacker, and I guess arguably best overall as long as someone with DW, a pet, or melee channel is hitting you. Da Biggest despite being changed to function like live, where a single bellow proc will roll statsteal for every target in the AoE separately, will only proc LM once per individual ability hit, the actual bellow proccing is what makes LM go off, so even if the proc itself hits 10 people (from a single hit proccing it), LM only procs once. This is the same with Toughest, which can also proc multiple times off AoE hits, but once for any individual hit only. Biggest in other words, has no upside over Toughest for proccing LM, and both of these have ups and downs compared to Greenest.

That being said, would 100% run resist lini over greenest outside of cheesing vs multiple attackers, it's just too good, and Toughest heal is quite nice to boot.

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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#5 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:52 am

This build needs 6pc painboss or warlord to perform. Im using warlord so i have no wound bonuses from gear at all. Also i have spent 10rp to improved flee from wounds.

With resist lini i would probably be better off in many fights, but my health would be somewhere around 7,5k which is too low for soloroaming imo. With hunger i get a bit more dmg/strikethro+get my wounds up to 8kish which is healthy amount. More than that make fights longer, but not necessarily any better.

What i tried greenest grants most procs, and with other bellows loudmouth dmg tends to lose it edge against parries etc. Better use stat steal/wound bellow when hitting someone going very defensive.
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#6 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:42 am

Pretty nasty tick rate with LM on some of those fights :D With a quick glance from killboard it seems like AA+LM contributes to about half your damage, sometimes even more, very nice :)
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#7 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:21 am

DYDE VERY NICE. Fudge the rest Pahakukka is best=) I hate that you need 6pc of the highest rr gear there is to do this. Man just give +2 back to 5pc merce/anni/ruin so Low RR peeps will actually use 5piece because getting +2 career points is super powerful when you are rr 40-50 but when you are rr 80 and you get 31 points to use then its a problem : D

Some classes REALLY get much out of the 31 points but for some its completely useless. I hate this copy paste bs
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#8 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:50 am

Pahakukka wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:52 am This build needs 6pc painboss or warlord to perform. Im using warlord so i have no wound bonuses from gear at all. Also i have spent 10rp to improved flee from wounds.

With resist lini i would probably be better off in many fights, but my health would be somewhere around 7,5k which is too low for soloroaming imo. With hunger i get a bit more dmg/strikethro+get my wounds up to 8kish which is healthy amount. More than that make fights longer, but not necessarily any better.

What i tried greenest grants most procs, and with other bellows loudmouth dmg tends to lose it edge against parries etc. Better use stat steal/wound bellow when hitting someone going very defensive.
Wounds from the bellow would still result in far higher EHP in any fight that lasts more than ten seconds compared to the wounds from the lini on account of the heal+wounds every 10ish seconds.

Greenest is indeed very valid on account of the differing mechanic regardless, completely agree that it's just straight better at delivering LM procs in many cases, just not all of them (and is the weaker bellow outside of pure LM procs for total stats/EHP, but can be more than made up for by actual throughput for sure). Of course didn't note every usecase of Greenest in the previous post, but it's by far the best bellow while getting kited too, there kinda is no wrong answer with the bellows I think, apart from Biggest being a bit of a trap in many cases.

So not saying sitting in greenest is a mistake or anything, but as you say, swapping around a bit is indeed likely to be optimal, for as long as the AP cost doesn't start incurring delays for important GCDs.

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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#9 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:17 am

Gladiolix wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:42 am Pretty nasty tick rate with LM on some of those fights :D With a quick glance from killboard it seems like AA+LM contributes to about half your damage, sometimes even more, very nice :)
At times u can make ppl to pot by loudmouth only, for example engi turret hitting you and you reflecting some of it back to engi thro LM, also the build drives you to charge in 4v1 5v1 battles, specially if theres lots of low hitting characters with squishy rdps not paying attention. I think u gotta try this with crit spec too, chop fasta crits often as ppl are not used to pay attention on positioning against tanks. AA can be 1k not to mention what kd+shutyerface will do with high crit+added critdmg. Theres potential for real burst.

As mentioned bellow swapping probably is a thing we gotta learn in this build. And once i get my ranked ring Im gonna try and squeeze even higher dmg output from it. (More renown points available from)
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Re: Blackorc AA/Loudmouth build

Post#10 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:17 pm

what63 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:37 pm Loudmouth procs independently of bellow buffs actually applying to you/target.

Well damn, I always thought it was when they actually activated. Only tested it with Da Biggest though as only use Da Greenest when being kited. Definitely gonna try running it to see if it's worth the extra loudmouth procs as I forgot that it refreshes itself, even though I use it when SnB with shdr all the time :roll:. It'll be hard to give up Da Biggest though as it's only source of a strength buff, toughness debuff outside of the tactic, and ini buff/debuff.
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