Slayer solobitz

[Pahakukka]

It was not, just a general comment to keep this from derailing into another nerf x post.

[Culexus]

Solo roaming for 1v1s is dead.

It was always worth all the gank squads and WBs chasing into PvE for those awesome 1v1 fights, but they are so rare now that it's no longer worth the time investment to find them, as so few players do it. The few that do increasingly play the same few classes, mainly ranged DPS healers or stealth classes. These classes have always been really strong in solo roam, but since the healer and DPS rework, they are so strong that they've driven out most other classes, as there's no reason to play anything else. Class diversity feels non-existent right now.

I know the game isn't balanced around solo roaming, nor should it be. But that door swings both ways, and there are things in the game that have no purpose in group content that are clearly designed for solo roaming. It feels like "this is not a solo game" is both rightly used to tell people that the game is designed around groups, and also used as an excuse to keep broken things that have clearly been designed for solo roaming. Case in point: 60sec stealth on WE/WH

There is no group balance reason that WE/WH need a 60sec stealth rather than a 30sec one. There is not a single group-play scenario that involves having a WE/WH in stealth for more than 30sec. Yet it was changed to 60sec for solo roam, despite "this is not a solo game" being the design philosophy, and simultaneously won't be reverted to 30sec, even though it has no purpose in a group because "this is not a solo game".

So which is it? Is it not a solo game, so no balance decisions are made with solo in mind? Or is it not a solo game, except when it is?

If it's the former, then there needs to be consistency in changing things that serve no purpose in group play. If it's the latter, and solo is considered when designing a class, then all classes should be included in that consideration.

[Pahakukka]

Solo roaming for 1v1s is dead.

It was always worth all the gank squads and WBs chasing into PvE for those awesome 1v1 fights, but they are so rare now that it's no longer worth the time investment to find them, as so few players do it. The few that do increasingly play the same few classes, mainly ranged DPS healers or stealth classes. These classes have always been really strong in solo roam, but since the healer and DPS rework, they are so strong that they've driven out most other classes, as there's no reason to play anything else. Class diversity feels non-existent right now.

I know the game isn't balanced around solo roaming, nor should it be. But that door swings both ways, and there are things in the game that have no purpose in group content that are clearly designed for solo roaming. It feels like "this is not a solo game" is both rightly used to tell people that the game is designed around groups, and also used as an excuse to keep broken things that have clearly been designed for solo roaming. Case in point: 60sec stealth on WE/WH

There is no group balance reason that WE/WH need a 60sec stealth rather than a 30sec one. There is not a single group-play scenario that involves having a WE/WH in stealth for more than 30sec. Yet it was changed to 60sec for solo roam, despite "this is not a solo game" being the design philosophy, and simultaneously won't be reverted to 30sec, even though it has no purpose in a group because "this is not a solo game".

So which is it? Is it not a solo game, so no balance decisions are made with solo in mind? Or is it not a solo game, except when it is?

If it's the former, then there needs to be consistency in changing things that serve no purpose in group play. If it's the latter, and solo is considered when designing a class, then all classes should be included in that consideration.

There! thats exactly what im after! thank you good sir!
Its not only the stealth either, stuff like embrace the warp could have been thought more carefully too. for example by disabling the ability when harbringer is active, same for RP versions. Its needed for healer survivality in masscale but I cant think its really designed to be used with magus level dps

[hordak774]

I experience the same when solo roaming, and actually had to stop solo roaming for good because I don't find joy in it any longer. This is especially sad since It has always been one of my favorite ways to play the game and still believe that it would be beneficial for the long term health of the game, if this 'gamemode' would not get thrown under the bus on every corner. The first thing new players do is solo roaming, because they don't have a guild or party yet. That's why they enjoy tier 1 and often hit this horrible frustration wall when joining t2 (ofc there's other reasons at play, too).

There are several things that can be done to improve our situation:
Nerf stealth, greatly reduce rewards for killing lowbies and kills in general, make people want to do the campaign instead of chasing one solo player deep into pve zones.
These would probably be a good start to put solo roaming in better shape.

need nerf deftard specs with is ruining solo roaming, you cant kill anyone atm. Defense is too overpowered over offense