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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#31 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:37 am

Sulorie wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:30 pm
normanis wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:50 pm
Sulorie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:18 pm
Their def gear has basically no offensive stats as a dps class. You don't know what high dmg is, when you think they deal relevant dmg. They give up a significant amount of dmg to outlast you in a 1vs1. Those 1vsX videos are fun to watch but show only one thing, people who should play t1 instead of t4.
Imagine being a SW and moving back and forth right in front of a WE fighting someone else or a BW starting to bomb instead of kiting and the WE doesn't even have to stealth.
ok i will put 16% anti crit in rr points how much u can save. 30rr points u save for ather stuff like wounds/tough boost 120 wounds - 34rr points. full parry 20rr points and 10 points u have free left. so much u can do with free 30 rr points.
You save a lot more rr points, if you take off set, as crit costs more than -crit, if you want to argue about rr point savings.

I probably fail to understand your calculations but it doesn't add up, if it costs you 30+34+20 and you still have 10 spare points.

Those 30 points are not free, it's a trade off for other stats you have to skip by taking def set.
Imagine saving virtually over 45 mastery points for crit by combining set pieces.
u ca trade damage for being tanky, if we talk about ather clases, not witch wb. byt saved 30 points mean be spended somwhere else. u dont have unlimited points ingame
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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#32 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:38 am

Sulorie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:50 pm
Your healing is a lot stronger, no? Your armor is a a lot higher, no? Try a more defensive approach as well, you always have to balance between off and deff.
you just do not want to understand, they have already explained everything to you clearly and clearly showed, no other class in the game has the ability to fully enhance def stats and at the same time inflict such huge damage.
also WE is the only class in the game at the moment that does not need anti-crit, you just get a bubble of 600 damage every 3 seconds, if you added a trivial blow, then you simply cannot be killed by the one who fully invested in critical damage
WH - mdpv 80+
WE - Witchrage 80+

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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#33 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:14 am

reynor007 wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:38 am
Sulorie wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:50 pm
Your healing is a lot stronger, no? Your armor is a a lot higher, no? Try a more defensive approach as well, you always have to balance between off and deff.
you just do not want to understand, they have already explained everything to you clearly and clearly showed, no other class in the game has the ability to fully enhance def stats and at the same time inflict such huge damage.
also WE is the only class in the game at the moment that does not need anti-crit, you just get a bubble of 600 damage every 3 seconds, if you added a trivial blow, then you simply cannot be killed by the one who fully invested in critical damage
who do they think they are?! they invest everything into defense and are hard to kill how dare they!
and btw WH does not have to invest anything into defense and is invincible by default.
just watch your own videos... cant believe you are crying here

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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#34 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:32 am

who do they think they are?! they invest everything into defense and are hard to kill how dare they!
and btw WH does not have to invest anything into defense and is invincible by default.
just watch your own videos... cant believe you are crying here
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You just dont get it or you dont want to.
The thing is not about that they invest everything into defence and are hard to kill
but its about that they also can ignore main stat (strenght) and still kill tanks and other dps whit throwing daggers and do corporal dmg .
So they dont need weapons skill or strenght while every other char who goes full def they do no dmg.
Its a logical tradeoff but WE pretty much get no penalty for going full def

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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#35 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:27 am

rrrutsss wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:32 am who do they think they are?! they invest everything into defense and are hard to kill how dare they!
and btw WH does not have to invest anything into defense and is invincible by default.
just watch your own videos... cant believe you are crying here
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You just dont get it or you dont want to.
The thing is not about that they invest everything into defence and are hard to kill
but its about that they also can ignore main stat (strenght) and still kill tanks and other dps whit throwing daggers and do corporal dmg .
So they dont need weapons skill or strenght while every other char who goes full def they do no dmg.
Its a logical tradeoff but WE pretty much get no penalty for going full def
You can't argue with corp DMG, which is only dealing noticable damage, because your solo targets lack resist buffs. WB still deals more damage in DPS spec together with all other abilities.
To get enough mechanic points for WB you have to hit your enemy multiple times with rather weak attacks. Then you try to kite them and throw daggers. For what your enemy has CC, charge if not to catch you? In the end it is your health regen, what makes you outlast your opponent, especially if they are not geared similarly.
When you are soloing and enemies with magical damage are your toughest foe, adapt to it or recognize that being solo on most classes means you lack either resist or armor buff.

PS: don't miss half of your quote next time
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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#36 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:40 am

Sulorie wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:27 am
rrrutsss wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:32 am who do they think they are?! they invest everything into defense and are hard to kill how dare they!
and btw WH does not have to invest anything into defense and is invincible by default.
just watch your own videos... cant believe you are crying here
....

You just dont get it or you dont want to.
The thing is not about that they invest everything into defence and are hard to kill
but its about that they also can ignore main stat (strenght) and still kill tanks and other dps whit throwing daggers and do corporal dmg .
So they dont need weapons skill or strenght while every other char who goes full def they do no dmg.
Its a logical tradeoff but WE pretty much get no penalty for going full def
You can't argue with corp DMG, which is only dealing noticable damage, because your solo targets lack resist buffs. WB still deals more damage in DPS spec together with all other abilities.
To get enough mechanic points for WB you have to hit your enemy multiple times with rather weak attacks. Then you try to kite them and throw daggers. For what your enemy has CC, charge if not to catch you? In the end it is your health regen, what makes you outlast your opponent, especially if they are not geared similarly.
When you are soloing and enemies with magical damage are your toughest foe, adapt to it or recognize that being solo on most classes means you lack either resist or armor buff.

PS: don't miss half of your quote next time
Hitting few hits whit rather low dmg
But you also take very very low damage because you have all your RR and talismans invested in defences and dont need main stats ,flying daggers kisses WB.
You might try to catch him but WE got many escaping tools to keep you out of reach while melting you whit undefendable attacks.

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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#37 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:38 pm

rrrutsss wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:40 am
Hitting few hits whit rather low dmg
But you also take very very low damage because you have all your RR and talismans invested in defences and dont need main stats ,flying daggers kisses WB.
You might try to catch him but WE got many escaping tools to keep you out of reach while melting you whit undefendable attacks.
For a gank, this takes a lot time and the victim, if they want to play solo, should get some health regen as well.
All those clips show victims, who either stand still as rdps, use no cc, potions or have less health regen. It's not like you can't disengage from them and when you are in the middle of nowhere in rvr as a class not fully self sustaining, you made a first mistake.
Dying is no option.

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Re: Insolence | Witch Elf roaming / duels video

Post#38 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:08 pm

rrrutsss wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:32 am who do they think they are?! they invest everything into defense and are hard to kill how dare they!
and btw WH does not have to invest anything into defense and is invincible by default.
just watch your own videos... cant believe you are crying here


You just dont get it or you dont want to.
The thing is not about that they invest everything into defence and are hard to kill
but its about that they also can ignore main stat (strenght) and still kill tanks and other dps whit throwing daggers and do corporal dmg .
So they dont need weapons skill or strenght while every other char who goes full def they do no dmg.
Its a logical tradeoff but WE pretty much get no penalty for going full def
dude you dont get it, WH does not have to invest anything into defense and still is near invincible. the only build for WE to survive 1vX situations is def build with rahter low dmg and high sustain.
what do you guys want? def WE dealing no dmg? for what purpose? WE can not guard anyone nor is she suited good for that for any content.

btw only a hand full of ppl play def WE but 100% of WH use RB+m1

so if someone is to be nerfed then it is definitely the WH, but imo even if RB+m1 is really OP i dont really care about that because there is only one good WH out there anyway. so plz chill your nuggets and l2p.

imo both classes are 95% fine atm the only thing i would change is the stupid pounce for WE, would like to also have a tool to generate blood lust without the need of a target. WH can do 2 AOE every 60s from safe distance while WE has to go into melee combat and therefor dies alot in content like forts/keeps. WH has a big advantage there

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