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Grunbag
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Re: Theft

Post#91 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:18 pm

heygamers wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:16 pm Claiming theft as if the code you are sitting on is even 1/10th your own doing is so **** dishonest it's unbelievable. Az and Londo did ALL of the coding work on this server, you guys have done absolutely nothing since they left besides your custom server events and class balancing.

Gunbad, and the instance manager needed to even make it possible was nearly finished and was Londo's work.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is at the helm of this new server seeing as it already is going to have content you would never in 10 years be able to put out yourselves. And there's only 2 people who could possibly have the skill or motivation to do so, and one of them quit forever in an autistic fit.

You treat the playerbase like trash, you don't even bother looking for a real source developer after they all left and let content stagnate for what a year or more now?
Absolutely wrong , gunbad and instance code are done by someone that still in the team , when aza and londo still here there was nothing done for dungeons

This new server has nothing more than we have , because it just took our database and code .
I can open tovl , lost vale , land of the dead or even bastion stair (yes it’s populated) so you can see that we have « working t4 dungeon » if workings mean have spawns placed and portal opened .
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Hargrim
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Re: Theft

Post#92 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:19 pm

heygamers wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:16 pm Claiming theft as if the code you are sitting on is even 1/10th your own doing is so **** dishonest it's unbelievable. Az and Londo did ALL of the coding work on this server, you guys have done absolutely nothing since they left besides your custom server events and class balancing.

Gunbad, and the instance manager needed to even make it possible was nearly finished and was Londo's work.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is at the helm of this new server seeing as it already is going to have content you would never in 10 years be able to put out yourselves. And there's only 2 people who could possibly have the skill or motivation to do so, and one of them quit forever in an autistic fit.

You treat the playerbase like trash, you don't even bother looking for a real source developer after they all left and let content stagnate for what a year or more now?

Nice bait, 2/10
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Re: Theft

Post#93 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:19 pm

Using robbed and theft so harshly, you still got all your work intact.
They took a copy of your hard work and ''started'' up a new server.
Preaching on the internet about theft to gain some morale high ground is futile when there is alot of people sharing the same mind setting as the pirate bay, in their minds it not stealing because you still got your item and they took a copy of it.

It is just unfortunate that it was done without the consent of the RoR staff, similar things like this happends everyday.

Is this the reason for the lifted renown gain btw?
Then maybe having full monopoly was never a good idea in the first place when you start to treat the playerbase like your own personal ant farm.

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Re: Theft

Post#94 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:21 pm

Martok wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:09 pm I recall one in particular, a Dwarf player, who displayed a particularly vile nature right up until the last moment when his ban took hold.
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darude83
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Re: Theft

Post#95 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:22 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:04 pm
Gravord wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 3:53 pm

Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.
If you're going to continue to justify this, I'll be happy to remove you as well. Given your past history and attitude I see little more than veiled antagonism right now.
On this very site is a "Download Game" button which links to stolen software. Maybe your years of hard work have put you into a bubble of self entitlement, which is understandable, but nevertheless a problem. You have no genuine intention of preserving the game and it's integrity, all you worry about is control.

That you have to resort to threatening people with bans for disagreeing with you, shows your true weakness.
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RyanMakara
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Re: Theft

Post#96 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:24 pm

Gravord wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 3:53 pm
Hargrim wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 3:24 pm
Gravord wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 2:59 pm

It relates as to understand reasons why did it even happen in the first place, ways it could have been avoided and still can be put down with minimal to no dmg to RoR project, with apriopriate actions.

It happened because somebody lack enough backbone and moral integrity to not do that. And some more somebodies who want to hop on that project and help to build their team using stolen property.
Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.
The phrase "you can't please everyone" comes to mind; even if we were fulfilling a certain line of development that would "restore WAR to its former glory" before shutdown, which to me seems like a mediocre fantasy mindset of "everyone was happy and content with the game's state", I'm sure there would be those inclined to suggest more progressive changes instead, like the ones we've been making, in order to deal with fundamental issues that have plagued WAR since its launch. A lot of people loathed the state WAR was in during 1.4.8.; only a select few benefited from it, as the population decreased month by month.

All in all, we're not stopping anyone from trying. Solely stressing that it's sort of ridiculous to revert back to shutdown state when you steal from a server that's already moved way past that point in time. It's as if you're going back in time to re-invent the wheel, by stealing the blueprints of aforementioned wheel...

The only way for us to have prevented this is to not have trusted certain individuals with ulterior motives. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Re: Theft

Post#97 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:28 pm

darude83 wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:22 pm On this very site is a "Download Game" button which links to stolen software. Maybe your years of hard work have put you into a bubble of self entitlement, which is understandable, but nevertheless a problem. You have no genuine intention of preserving the game and it's integrity, all you worry about is control.

That you have to resort to threatening people with bans for disagreeing with you, shows your true weakness.
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RyanMakara
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Re: Theft

Post#98 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:29 pm

Bobbiom wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:19 pm Is this the reason for the lifted renown gain btw?
Then maybe having full monopoly was never a good idea in the first place when you start to treat the playerbase like your own personal ant farm.
That was a change made before the theft became public.

I don't see the logic behind seeing the player base as an ant farm by the way; ant farms tend to be self-sustaining whereas our player base obviously isn't. If it weren't for the work we've been doing there wouldn't even be a place for the ants to live, be it here on RoR or on another WAR server, at least not in this state.
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Re: Theft

Post#99 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:32 pm

Rude way to go about acquiring the code for sure.

Is there are reason you have not done this an open source or more available of a project for any reason. Like maybe some branch of the older versions, perhaps dating to one that has mostly the old class balance intact with no major changes done into that?

Then people could just take a look at it freely, without resulting to thievery and perhaps contribute to the dead game in some fashion in their own way. In this way someone would use your base to develop perhaps something new if they so would wish.

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Re: Theft

Post#100 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:38 pm

RyanMakara wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:24 pm
Gravord wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 3:53 pm
Hargrim wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 3:24 pm


It happened because somebody lack enough backbone and moral integrity to not do that. And some more somebodies who want to hop on that project and help to build their team using stolen property.
Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.
The phrase "you can't please everyone" comes to mind; even if we were fulfilling a certain line of development that would "restore WAR to its former glory" before shutdown, which to me seems like a mediocre fantasy mindset of "everyone was happy and content with the game's state", I'm sure there would be those inclined to suggest more progressive changes instead, like the ones we've been making, in order to deal with fundamental issues that have plagued WAR since its launch. A lot of people loathed the state WAR was in during 1.4.8.; only a select few benefited from it, as the population decreased month by month.

All in all, we're not stopping anyone from trying. Solely stressing that it's sort of ridiculous to revert back to shutdown state when you steal from a server that's already moved way past that point in time. It's as if you're going back in time to re-invent the wheel, by stealing the blueprints of aforementioned wheel...

The only way for us to have prevented this is to not have trusted certain individuals with ulterior motives. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Lot of valid points. But not in any place i said i want pure last days of WAR state. I asked for small tweaks and well though balance. Turning ranged class into mandatory 6 man team melee or wp into Usain Bolt, aint that. Those are key examples, they are flat out visible bad changes, should be scrapped soon as someone suggested it, yet it goes live.
Ofc, you cant never please everyone. But could try at least to listen and respond to playerbase concerns in polite manner, If its too much to ask from someone and he have to resort to ban threats, he aint fit for the job, simple as that.
Yes you do your work for free and its aprieciated, even if not always shown. But server will be nothing without playerbase too, basic respect towards them shouldnt be asking for too much.
Hargrim wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:16 pm
Gravord wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 4:13 pm You do see irony right? Im talking about disregard, disrespect and resorting to ban threats for speaking up anything you dont agree with, and you do just that.
What my past history? Enlighten me, please. Silly changes to melee wp giving him speed buff on twice shorter cd than actual melee classes? Its still ridiculous "balance". Nothing changed on that topic, which i was already threaten with ban for saying when it happened.
Exactly this attitude you just show, once again, is reason why playerbase is open for new options in the first place. Nobody would give slightest **** about new server if not this kind of behavior paired with unreasonable class changes.
So go ahead, keep banning everyone who dare to talk anything other than aplaud and wonder why you loose playerbase. The honest, non cheating/exploiting one, but simple players who want to continue play WAR they loved.

How many times you want to say the same thing? It's like your, you know, opinion, man. Usually stating it once is enough.
No, its not just my opinion. Plenty of players are displeased with certain staff members and actively looking for options. Maybe, just maybe, you should clean your own house and watch RoR flourish. You have solid group there doing lot of good work but by not removing rotting apples you let whole basket spoil and results of that good work are diminished. Wont be repeating it, hoping it reach out and do some good changes inside the team.

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