Make pq mobs hostile to both factions

[Pahakukka]

Hello

Since it was stated that there is no objection to inprove the solo/smallscale QoL if it does not affect the balance in main gameplay, Can the pq mobs be made hostile to both factions.

Its starting to be new solo meta to hang around lake boundaries with PQ close by (specially in praag, but also in DW for example.) to get safe spot to fall back in if ppl bite more than they can chew.

The lakes are not very balances in regatds of what lies in vicinity of rvr lake and keeping praag as example, there is destro pq near KA, and just S from ms, after the bridge, and on top of that order pve camp ch19 N of MS.

This is not just the certain someone hugging the rivers and pve, but its starting to be the new solo/smallscale meta to hang next to these mobs.
Since the pve patch, even the low lvl mobs make it near impossible for hostile faction to enter these areas solo, due to the abilities the mobs use(stacking dots/snares/roots) etc. Not to mention the actual enemy who you went in to fight against. I' m not even sure if mob cc gives proper immunities.

Making the pq mobs attack each player is probably the easiest fix I can think of right now, ofc there are tons of spots where pve mobs are near pvp lake and NOT part of pq, but usually these are smaller groups and easier to move around of.

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

So we get it over and done with in advance.
Thank you


Edit. Stink is too shy to say this, but he mentioned that pq mobs could also be non hostile if you have rvr tag on. Ofc then the aoe would likely still aggro them

[Endari]

+1 and just want to say I finally had to block gersy over that "not a solo game" in every post even tangentially related to something that might be small scale/solo.

[choof]

just relocate pqs that are on the lakes' borders, ez

[Nikt]

Hello

Since it was stated that there is no objection to inprove the solo/smallscale QoL if it does not affect the balance in main gameplay, Can the pq mobs be made hostile to both factions.

Its starting to be new solo meta to hang around lake boundaries with PQ close by (specially in praag, but also in DW for example.) to get safe spot to fall back in if ppl bite more than they can chew.

The lakes are not very balances in regatds of what lies in vicinity of rvr lake and keeping praag as example, there is destro pq near KA, and just S from ms, after the bridge, and on top of that order pve camp ch19 N of MS.

This is not just the certain someone hugging the rivers and pve, but its starting to be the new solo/smallscale meta to hang next to these mobs.
Since the pve patch, even the low lvl mobs make it near impossible for hostile faction to enter these areas solo, due to the abilities the mobs use(stacking dots/snares/roots) etc. Not to mention the actual enemy who you went in to fight against. I' m not even sure if mob cc gives proper immunities.

Making the pq mobs attack each player is probably the easiest fix I can think of right now, ofc there are tons of spots where pve mobs are near pvp lake and NOT part of pq, but usually these are smaller groups and easier to move around of.

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

So we get it over and done with in advance.
Thank you


Edit. Stink is too shy to say this, but he mentioned that pq mobs could also be non hostile if you have rvr tag on. Ofc then the aoe would likely still aggro them

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[Culexus]

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

Skill issue

On a serious note, having the mobs attacking both sides would raise some lore issues. Having a bunch of Empire mobs attacking Order players doesn't make much sense.

What could maybe work is auto-unflagging for PvP the moment a player enters a PQ area. That way, as soon as someone enters one, they can't attack or be attacked. This could stop warbands chasing a single player deep into PvP as well.

The downside to this is that rdps players would hug the borders of PQs to run into them if their gank attempt goes south. Though there are not that many areas where that would be possible, so players would learn to avoid them, and stealthers would know that they're prime hunting grounds, which could balance it out.

The best solution, of course, is for players not to do it in the first place. But that's far too much to ask.

[Pahakukka]

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

Skill issue

On a serious note, having the mobs attacking both sides would raise some lore issues. Having a bunch of Empire mobs attacking Order players doesn't make much sense.

What could maybe work is auto-unflagging for PvP the moment a player enters a PQ area. That way, as soon as someone enters one, they can't attack or be attacked. This could stop warbands chasing a single player deep into PvP as well.

The downside to this is that rdps players would hug the borders of PQs to run into them if their gank attempt goes south. Though there are not that many areas where that would be possible, so players would learn to avoid them, and stealthers would know that they're prime hunting grounds, which could balance it out.

The best solution, of course, is for players not to do it in the first place. But that's far too much to ask.

I have easy fix for a lore issue.. just add prefix "not" to each pq mob like "not empire rifleman"

[Pahakukka]

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

Skill issue

On a serious note, having the mobs attacking both sides would raise some lore issues. Having a bunch of Empire mobs attacking Order players doesn't make much sense.

What could maybe work is auto-unflagging for PvP the moment a player enters a PQ area. That way, as soon as someone enters one, they can't attack or be attacked. This could stop warbands chasing a single player deep into PvP as well.

The downside to this is that rdps players would hug the borders of PQs to run into them if their gank attempt goes south. Though there are not that many areas where that would be possible, so players would learn to avoid them, and stealthers would know that they're prime hunting grounds, which could balance it out.

The best solution, of course, is for players not to do it in the first place. But that's far too much to ask.

I have easy fix for a lore issue.. just add prefix "not" to each pq mob like "not empire rifleman"

[Stinksuit]

And before gersy gets here I just want to add "not a solo game"

Skill issue

On a serious note, having the mobs attacking both sides would raise some lore issues. Having a bunch of Empire mobs attacking Order players doesn't make much sense.

What could maybe work is auto-unflagging for PvP the moment a player enters a PQ area. That way, as soon as someone enters one, they can't attack or be attacked. This could stop warbands chasing a single player deep into PvP as well.

The downside to this is that rdps players would hug the borders of PQs to run into them if their gank attempt goes south. Though there are not that many areas where that would be possible, so players would learn to avoid them, and stealthers would know that they're prime hunting grounds, which could balance it out.

The best solution, of course, is for players not to do it in the first place. But that's far too much to ask.

Getting auto flagged off instantly honestly seems like a terrible idea xD you would have so many people abuse the heck out of this. I also agree with you that making the pq mobs be hostile for both is not the way to go hence I told Daewuur that imo just making the npc's non hostile (to me seems) the best solution to this "problem".

[coldhunter]

It would be great. Its not a good thing, when you need entire wb just to deal with some 6man kiting group, right?
Rn we have a lot of kiters, who hiding in PvE from each equal fights and come out only to kill some easy prey...
If you dont want to have some "lore issues" - just make mobs neutral for everyone, thats all.

[Culexus]

I have easy fix for a lore issue.. just add prefix "not" to each pq mob like "not empire rifleman"

A truly immersive experience

Getting auto flagged off instantly honestly seems like a terrible idea xD you would have so many people abuse the heck out of this. I also agree with you that making the pq mobs be hostile for both is not the way to go hence I told Daewuur that imo just making the npc's non hostile (to me seems) the best solution to this "problem".

Yeah, you're right. It is a pretty terrible idea.

Your solution makes the most sense. If a player can't attack when not flagged for PvP, then it makes sense that mobs shouldn't be able to attack when you are.

It's a simple change, and as this isn't an open-world PvP server, it doesn't go against the direction of the rest of the game.

+1