[SH] Ranged knock down has to go

[balvor877]

Giving herders easy access to 3s knock down, 50% heal debuff and 4s silence with all the other tools they have is just plain stupid. Say what you want.

[Synora]

oh stfu. SW has a ranged KD and so does BW

[balvor877]

oh stfu. SW has a ranged KD and so does BW

It's not that one ability but all they have in combination. I guess you are not capable of realizing that. So you better stfu.

[buffalosolja]

Honestly i dont mind if they keep squig ranged KD

But if they want to be decent they need to give SW back his range debuff ability and also allow them to use KD while moving.

SHs has RKD while moving + range debuff ability while SWs has to cast it 1 sec without moving? plus no range debuff..

Thats messed up!

[StirlingScott]

Been playing my SH and yes the KD is very strong. Not sure if I would consider it OP yet since SHs blow up once you get on them.

WH is my main class and the comparison to WH's Pistol Whip is a very poor example of a comparison.

[NSKaneda]

Honestly i dont mind if they keep squig ranged KD

But if they want to be decent they need to give SW back his range debuff ability and also allow them to use KD while moving.

SHs has RKD while moving + range debuff ability while SWs has to cast it 1 sec without moving? plus no range debuff..

Thats messed up!

Buffed 110ft stationary rKD vs 80ft mobile one - 30ft is roughly 1-1.5 seconds you need to close that gap. In 1v1 scenario if SW opens he has a good chance of finishing SH since they cancel each other out. But if SH knows his squigs he will range debuff before closing the gap and he has a good chance of coming on top - sure, SWs have tools to counter but easiest solution would be to mirror rSH changes by moving Eye Shot to Skirm tree and giving it "on the move" while nerfing the range to 65ft and moving Flame arrow to scout, buffing it to 100ft and yes, keeping vengeful aoe increase. I would also redo glass arrow to mirror Shrapnel arrer - ini debuff + 75% range reducer is way better than AP hungry burst enhancer tied to racial synergy gameplay. Plus let's keep in mind that SWs have decent offensive mobility that's not tied to dmg exposure, long cooldown or pets.

To compensate for BWs insta rKD and range debuff on rSWs Flame arrow would have to have a cast time - 1.0 second cast with 15s cooldown would be fair IMO (herder's version got free immunity knockback and 2.0 seconds cast after all).

And you're deadly enough with vanq, imagine the dmg you'll do with inv+ gear mate

[Neverever]

If I wanted to play a Squigherder I would play the Squiq as Melee up to 13 high in the middle tree and also take the KD and the Healdebuff in the right tree and a mirror to the Assault Shadow Warrior would only be more mobile ...

Dude you don't even know what you are talking about. How would you go up to 13 points on path of bouncing tree and take healdubuff at the same time ? Your post is clearly another whining post. What other reason we need to nerf SH now... This guy finds it to be the hardest class to kill on 1vs1 personally... Well well well isn't SH definately OP now ?.

I know ranged KD is an annoying tool in RVR when it is not you who is firing it, but Destro has been dealing with it for more than a decade. I am sure you guys will get used to it eventually.

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[metroid24]

Sounds like someone got killed by a few SH and went to the forums to cry about it. Honestly i play both SW and SH (and a good many other classes) and i can achieve pretty much the same thing on both in regards to performance / top zone kills / owning people in RvR and 1 v 1. More people are trying out the RSH now since it was abysmal before and now is actually playable, so chances are you'll run into them more often, and if you suck, you will get killed by them more often. But to make a post about it on forums? Jeez...there's only 1 op class in this game at the moment and everyone knows what that is...

[CountTalabecland]

Wait do people really get ganked by Shadow Warriors?

and ranged ones no less? Shadow Warriors are dead meat alone and out in the open. I can't think of a destro MDPS that can't catch them and easily at that.

This seems like false equivalency. SW=food for classes with pull or ranged/AoE CC of any kind. Who cares if Order has ranged KD when destro has the pulls and Squig pounce. Order, especially SW, can't escape ****.

Indeed, nobody dies to ranged Shadow Warriors, n-o-b-o-d-y.

Spoiler:

Short roaming session:

Assuming this is a SW? At any rate, stats without context or whether these are all 1v1 or whatever this thread is meant to prove is useless. A geared SW can probably kill under-geared pugs but what can't?

No, assuming roughly even gear, no MDPS should die to a SW. Sorc/Magus could be threatened by them but any good player of either class could burst the shite out of a SW. Shadow Warrior is still an inefficient RDPS or MDPS compared to just rolling a BW, WL, or Slayer in a group setting. Also a piss poor roaming class compared to what the popular destro roaming classes can do.

[buffalosolja]

Honestly i dont mind if they keep squig ranged KD

But if they want to be decent they need to give SW back his range debuff ability and also allow them to use KD while moving.

SHs has RKD while moving + range debuff ability while SWs has to cast it 1 sec without moving? plus no range debuff..

Thats messed up!

Buffed 110ft stationary rKD vs 80ft mobile one - 30ft is roughly 1-1.5 seconds you need to close that gap. In 1v1 scenario if SW opens he has a good chance of finishing SH since they cancel each other out. But if SH knows his squigs he will range debuff before closing the gap and he has a good chance of coming on top - sure, SWs have tools to counter but easiest solution would be to mirror rSH changes by moving Eye Shot to Skirm tree and giving it "on the move" while nerfing the range to 65ft and moving Flame arrow to scout, buffing it to 100ft and yes, keeping vengeful aoe increase. I would also redo glass arrow to mirror Shrapnel arrer - ini debuff + 75% range reducer is way better than AP hungry burst enhancer tied to racial synergy gameplay. Plus let's keep in mind that SWs have decent offensive mobility that's not tied to dmg exposure, long cooldown or pets.

To compensate for BWs insta rKD and range debuff on rSWs Flame arrow would have to have a cast time - 1.0 second cast with 15s cooldown would be fair IMO (herder's version got free immunity knockback and 2.0 seconds cast after all).

And you're deadly enough with vanq, imagine the dmg you'll do with inv+ gear mate

Well said Ginn
That sounds fair to me and i have played both classes SW + SH .
Mirroring (these 2) classes would be the most fair and balanced option imo.