AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

[normanis]

it would also make the class broken AF

shaman has 35% speed tactic and detount ,

Shaman has tactic that gives 30% speed buff (not 35%) when you get hit with a 25% chance (not on demand), for 5s. You can't cast on move and it doesn't detaunt. Then, you have a tactic that gives ST detaunt to an enemy for 25% damage, with a 25% chance proc 5s.
While you want that AM get an ability that detaunt AoE for 50% damage for 10s, prevents cast from being setback for 5s, increase speed by 35% for 10s and let you cast on move for 10s. So AM would have a core ability that does better what 2 tactic do for shaman? Also considering that Walk Between Worlds CD can be decreased to 15s? That's OP man

no its no op
look shaman has ''instant '' 3 heals do sumfin usefull, path of mork ( cast on move same as am) and ey quit bleedin
while am has 1 channel abilitie where u need stay and not move its tauntable , kockable or anyather way interuptable res are heal over time and heal on move. noone in this game will wait till u finish cast spells. this is not step by step game. funnel essence its called its good for pve byt pvp not (offc if noone touch u than its good) while shaman can spam heals and be on run
ok 15 sec is op byt 20sec its not because u have bonus only for 10sec. and rest 10 sec still can get killed

[Ysaran]

But but but but...didnt you see those thousands shamans roaming the lakes who can kite full wbs??

No, I mean somehow he has a point. it's just that his proposal is way over the top.
The point is that shaman has better mobility and survivability and this is due to two factor:
1) Whazat Behinde You?! and RUN AWAY!
2) Do Sumfin Useful
From the survivability POV the auto detaunt is really helpfull, but Shaman can also stack huge amount of toughness with Do Sumfin Useful. Archmage can't do the same.
On the other hand from a mobility POV Shaman has the upper hand, and not thanks to RUN AWAY! (that you useonly in PUG wb or when soloing) but thanks to Do Sumfin Useful being insta cast, while AM has Funnel Essence that, since it's a channeling, it requires you to stand still.
This situation was intended to give Shaman better survivability and mobility and to give AM better ST healing.
AM lower mobility is a direct consequence of AM internal structure. But it's compensated by a better ST healing. But the lack of survivability isn't compensated by any benefits. So the question is: a better ST healing compensate for lacking on both mobility and survivability?
At the end of the day, AM is more difficult to play but can give better result in ST department

Both classes lack reliable single target burst healing. Shaman's take way to many cd to build up (hps is only good with 2+ hots ticking and a casted heal). You are better of to burst down the healed target than the shaman. AM's FE is a good burst heal but forcing you to stand still often makes it non-viable and doesn't work under preassure.

I disagree. They may seems lacking compared to other healer, but actually you just need to play with some advance. AM/Shaman are the most difficult classes to play exactly because you have to read the situation and and start healing the target before it actually needs to be healed. If you can do so, all your target are 2x pre hotted and you have Magical Infusion on you main target. This let you burst out FE and keep ppl alive. But you need very good positioning. Almost the same goes for Shaman with the exception that Shaman's positioning is more forgiving due to auto detaunt, while Am has to be more careful but can output better heals.

[Ysaran]

shaman has 35% speed tactic and detount ,

Shaman has tactic that gives 30% speed buff (not 35%) when you get hit with a 25% chance (not on demand), for 5s. You can't cast on move and it doesn't detaunt. Then, you have a tactic that gives ST detaunt to an enemy for 25% damage, with a 25% chance proc 5s.
While you want that AM get an ability that detaunt AoE for 50% damage for 10s, prevents cast from being setback for 5s, increase speed by 35% for 10s and let you cast on move for 10s. So AM would have a core ability that does better what 2 tactic do for shaman? Also considering that Walk Between Worlds CD can be decreased to 15s? That's OP man

no its no op
look shaman has ''instant '' 3 heals do sumfin usefull, path of mork ( cast on move same as am) and ey quit bleedin
while am has 1 channel abilitie where u need stay and not move its tauntable , kockable or anyather way interuptable res are heal over time and heal on move. noone in this game will wait till u finish cast spells. this is not step by step game. funnel essence its called its good for pve byt pvp not (offc if noone touch u than its good) while shaman can spam heals and be on run
ok 15 sec is op byt 20sec its not because u have bonus only for 10sec. and rest 10 sec still can get killed

Shaman rely on HoT for ST healing, but his HoTs can be shattered. From an AP/heal perspective, even one tick of FE is better than any Shaman's HoT

[normanis]

Shaman has tactic that gives 30% speed buff (not 35%) when you get hit with a 25% chance (not on demand), for 5s. You can't cast on move and it doesn't detaunt. Then, you have a tactic that gives ST detaunt to an enemy for 25% damage, with a 25% chance proc 5s.
While you want that AM get an ability that detaunt AoE for 50% damage for 10s, prevents cast from being setback for 5s, increase speed by 35% for 10s and let you cast on move for 10s. So AM would have a core ability that does better what 2 tactic do for shaman? Also considering that Walk Between Worlds CD can be decreased to 15s? That's OP man

no its no op
look shaman has ''instant '' 3 heals do sumfin usefull, path of mork ( cast on move same as am) and ey quit bleedin
while am has 1 channel abilitie where u need stay and not move its tauntable , kockable or anyather way interuptable res are heal over time and heal on move. noone in this game will wait till u finish cast spells. this is not step by step game. funnel essence its called its good for pve byt pvp not (offc if noone touch u than its good) while shaman can spam heals and be on run
ok 15 sec is op byt 20sec its not because u have bonus only for 10sec. and rest 10 sec still can get killed

Shaman rely on HoT for ST healing, but his HoTs can be shattered. From an AP/heal perspective, even one tick of FE is better than any Shaman's HoT

kobs triple shatered is removed from game .
its prety ridiculos that all game balance is around 180 armor talismans to counter destro. as am u need tons of money to be good to survuve 2 witches while shammy just add cheap tougnes spam self toughness buff and he become small tank. + oofc speed tact and rest surviving.
p.s if shaman was so bad they where rare byt they are full around running. its mean they has something more than am have. also shaman can feel safier than am because order biased rdps stile also reduzed range of punce. what am can counter to destros tons of armor talismans (180) and die from magic attacks. am magic resistence is weaker than kobs . he need stay in 1 place to start his ''best'' channel heal to keep person x alive. while shammie can spam tough increase to anyone + hot till he drop out of ap.
p.s.s so in am forum thread i am touching order melle lacking. if order has melle proper than very possible there where no discusions why am sucks. just my thoughts

[normanis]

funnel essence has cd 13sec if ror builder is corect vs shammie no cd tougnes spaming ( 1 tount am or distrupt him and next 13 sec he dont have ''best ''heal)

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

no its no op
look shaman has ''instant '' 3 heals do sumfin usefull, path of mork ( cast on move same as am) and ey quit bleedin
while am has 1 channel abilitie where u need stay and not move its tauntable , kockable or anyather way interuptable res are heal over time and heal on move. noone in this game will wait till u finish cast spells. this is not step by step game. funnel essence its called its good for pve byt pvp not (offc if noone touch u than its good) while shaman can spam heals and be on run
ok 15 sec is op byt 20sec its not because u have bonus only for 10sec. and rest 10 sec still can get killed

Shaman rely on HoT for ST healing, but his HoTs can be shattered. From an AP/heal perspective, even one tick of FE is better than any Shaman's HoT

its prety ridiculos that all game balance is around 180 armor talismans to counter destro. as am u need tons of money to be good to survuve 2 witches

I will not make the numbers...but really worth slot armor talis in a light armor class?? you know that we´s (and whs) can bypass all your armor (100% ignore) with some positional attacks...

[Nekkma]

Spoiler:

Shaman rely on HoT for ST healing, but his HoTs can be shattered. From an AP/heal perspective, even one tick of FE is better than any Shaman's HoT

its prety ridiculos that all game balance is around 180 armor talismans to counter destro. as am u need tons of money to be good to survuve 2 witches

I will not make the numbers...but really worth slot armor talis in a light armor class?? you know that we´s (and whs) can bypass all your armor (100% ignore) with some positional attacks...

There is some debate if armor, toughness or wounds is best option. I personally prefer armor after you have enough wounds. In endgame gear with potion and full 180 talis you get a decent amount of armor. Testing toughness on AM tho as I am dirt poor on order still.

[balvor877]

funnel essence has cd 13sec if ror builder is corect vs shammie no cd tougnes spaming ( 1 tount am or distrupt him and next 13 sec he dont have ''best ''heal)

Just saw that shammies have no FE but another hot with 150 toughnes which is spammable without cooldown...

wow, just wow... who would have tought that destro has again the better option...

So AMs have to stand still for 3 s and can be interrupted and have a 13 s cooldown while they get another hot on the move with additional buff and its spammable...

WE only have to wait for the FE and interrupt it. Shamans can keep on kiting the WH with 150 toughnes. Guess which is better?

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

funnel essence has cd 13sec if ror builder is corect vs shammie no cd tougnes spaming ( 1 tount am or distrupt him and next 13 sec he dont have ''best ''heal)

So AMs have to stand still for 3 s and can be interrupted and have a 13 s cooldown

How long its the channel of FE using mechanic at max?? and what is the real hp healed/tick

[Cimba]

How long its the channel of FE using mechanic at max?? and what is the real hp healed/tick

Mechanic doenst affect FE at all. Its always 3 sec. With sov gear it does about 4 x 750.

I dont know why people hate on it. I wouldnt trade it for Do Somefin Useful. But I guess I am just a shitter...