CeeJay89 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:20 pm
Let's not kid ourselves and act like Magus and Sorc can't do the exact same thing. I suppose to Destro, Tzeentch's Firestorm, Pit of Shade, and Dissolving Mist don't exist when talking about Engineer or BW. While we're at it, let's neglect interactions of abilities like Glean Magic with Pit of Shade. But don't worry, while we don't vocalize it often, the irony isn't lost to us that you'd forget what abilities your realm has in the name of preserving your one button wonders.
Also, stop passing around misinformation about my screenshots. I'll update you, since 2 posts in must be difficult to read to. There's ONE Chosen doing over 3.5k damage in 3s with Bane shield alone. Not 2, 3, 4, 5, or so many like you claim. ONE. This thread was initially a complaint about Discordant Fluctuation AND Bane Shield, to which I observed Bane Shield being the issue, not Discordant Fluctuation.
I don't give a hot **** whether they nerf the AoE cap or not. But let's not pretend like it's okay for one realm to have anti AoE built into one bullshit skill and not the other. Hell, mirror it on Knight and I'll happily play mine and wait for the Destro "Shield of the Sun OP" whine threads that will inevitably show up due to ignorance of their own realm's abilities.
I'm content with Dire Shield being limited to groups. If Destro can achieve the same affect with proper organization, good on them. Glad the non-bias Destro can see that (to which I know you're advocating, dispute everything else).
As someone who plays Magus and alts Sorc I just want to drop some info here since it seems you do not play the classes yourself.
Tzeench's Firestorm and Pit of Shades are both channeled abilities that require line of sight. Although a magus can crawl slowly while channeling TF you need to have your range pet out and full stacks to get close enough to cast both mist and firestorm on oil while staying safely out of the range of that oil. Nevermind the dozen or so BWs and Engis spamming AoE abilities on you. Also remember that the Magus pet itself does crap DPS compared to the Engi equivalent and that the Engi also has a ranged auto attack on top of that. AND THEN add up the group heal/buffs/debuffs that Engis can spec into that have no Destro equivalent on Magus.
People complain that Magus DPS doesn't have to deal with Armor mitigation but I'll tell you what, those Sorcerers, Shamans, WEs and Magus' aren't exactly walking around in plate mail. Bullets hurt. Also remember that Acid Bomb helps BWs in the same way Glean Magic helps Sorcs. The exception being that order has many more tools to remove hexes than Destro does.
If you want to see this disparity in action, check out any City premade instance. Count how many Magus' in those meta WBs and then count the Engi's. If there were such a thing as parity I bet those numbers would be way more even. You will see bomb sorcs spamming AoE, sure, but you'll never EVER see a changing spec Magus or probably never a Magus at all. Only in the PuGs.