New Forts System

[OndeTv]

[...]Numbers aside, I see the key issue is that 2 wbs can hold a fort gate against an infinite number of attackers, so with 5-6 wbs defending, there is no contest. It does seem to be a tough problem to solve. There is no team composition, strategy, or numbers that will allow a successful fort attack against 120 defenders[...]

Herein lies the real issue once again: Chokepoints.

Population scales, but chokepoints do not (and once again this issue is not specific to forts). Once "critical mass" is achieved in a chokepoint, there is currently next to no way to get past it regardless of faction. And as such it makes the campaign stale whenever population is high (meaning mostly during EU playtimes), as no faction really wants to push a fort and risk wasting their time.

[drmordread]

Yesterday Caledor shows new trend. I was on destro. Monitoring numbers very closely. Order had ~170 players all the times. Destro had AAO between 80% to 20%.
Im fortress order still had ~ 170 players. But destro over 200. And they win by share numbers.

People want theirs stuff in easiest way. For now easiest means afk on capitol and jump when fortress begin to collect 4 medals.

More like doing sc's and waiting for fort.

[Yaliskah]

Yesterday Caledor shows new trend. I was on destro. Monitoring numbers very closely. Order had ~170 players all the times. Destro had AAO between 80% to 20%.
Im fortress order still had ~ 170 players. But destro over 200. And they win by share numbers.

People want theirs stuff in easiest way. For now easiest means afk on capitol and jump when fortress begin to collect 4 medals.

More like doing sc's and waiting for fort.

...I got this feeling sometime, that some players would prefer to have a free shop, with insta max character max gear instead of really playing (remember BO ticks?).

Gear. I'm surprised no one pointed that. In the end it goes faster to complete a full invader set than a Vanquisher one or a Conqueror. Probably no one noticed. Mmm. I don't even speak about lowbies starting to collect this set even they are still in devastator. Point is, this part of the process has not been addressed yet....

...i have the feeling [...], there is a very hypocritical behavior about the way the game is played...[/u][/b].

What a surprise.

[normanis]

Yesterday Caledor shows new trend. I was on destro. Monitoring numbers very closely. Order had ~170 players all the times. Destro had AAO between 80% to 20%.
Im fortress order still had ~ 170 players. But destro over 200. And they win by share numbers.

People want theirs stuff in easiest way. For now easiest means afk on capitol and jump when fortress begin to collect 4 medals.

More like doing sc's and waiting for fort.

...I got this feeling sometime, that some players would prefer to have a free shop, with insta max character max gear instead of really playing (remember BO ticks?).

Gear. I'm surprised no one pointed that. In the end it goes faster to complete a full invader set than a Vanquisher one or a Conqueror. Probably no one noticed. Mmm. I don't even speak about lowbies starting to collect this set even they are still in devastator. Point is, this part of the process has not been addressed yet....

...i have the feeling [...], there is a very hypocritical behavior about the way the game is played...[/u][/b].

What a surprise.

i didnt understand what lowbies farm invader gear? if gold back give gear based on your level 40/41 is for conq , anni is 34/34 , devcas is 26/26 and so on. is fort bags diferent? no mater what level of rr i have i farm from fort invader gear? brilliant.
p.s anni shoud be 26/26/27/28/29/30 rr level and debastator shoud be 35, 35/36/37/38/39 rr level(because of gear strenght devastator procs is stronger than anni flat stats) . and u should get gear based on your rr level not pve level. than i believe gms care about lowbies.

[normanis]

from gold bags

[Natherul]

Instead of punish people for zerging, you want to encourage underdogs to afk in warcamp/lordroom?
How about blocking goldbags drop in situation like yesterday fort? Or setting wounds debuff for outnumbering faction? Or both? People that defending fort in 220 versus 70 dont deserve a single invader token, yet currently they just farm atleast 3 forts every day like that.

I can look at it from another angle as well. It was clear at the moment that particular fort happened that order would have no chance. Destro was occupied trying to push KV into stonewatch and order went and took CW into Maw. IF I punish anyone at all should it not be order then for doing this when it was clear what the outcome would be? And to answer that question if anyone wonders no, I do not intend to punish anyone. This is a fact thats going to happen as long as forts are open for all and dont have caps. If you push a fort because the other realm is trying to push elsewhere then expect to get stomped when they come for defense if they outnumber you.

EDIT: also note that we have a goal of wanting most fort defenses to be successful as the idea for when city sieges are eventually added that they will NOT be a daily occurrence.

What happened to using contribution? That was at least something to stop the cross-realming.

If it was outnumbered from the start as you say, fine. But I don't think that's happening. The population go way out of wack as soon as that fort opens.

You mean what we are doing? there is contrib for forts.... Only thing thats happening is that if a total domination happens then the base contrib needed to get anything gets lifted as to not totally negate someone who got stomped.

[wonshot]

As with any RoR system I mainly have an issue with them, when PvP is the victum. People logging onto a winning side, either attackers or defenders, to make an uneven ballance in terms of AAO and not being able to fight.

Wether or not if its because the defenders got enough critical mass to hold 3 outer doors, or the attackers being so many that the defenders cant cap a single flag. PvP is the victum, so **** the rewards, gear and renown.

if we cant fight, then what is the point of playing.
Solution: 30min lockout timer on swapping realm so you are locked to playing that realm for 30mins. and reduse fort stage1 timer to 7minut of preparation time. That would be a step in the right direction atleast for population, then funnels are maybe easier to grasp how to tacle either as players or developers.

But right now forts give a good fight in like 1/15 active fortszones.

[Direbloodykiller]

As with any RoR system I mainly have an issue with them, when PvP is the victum. People logging onto a winning side, either attackers or defenders, to make an uneven ballance in terms of AAO and not being able to fight.

Wether or not if its because the defenders got enough critical mass to hold 3 outer doors, or the attackers being so many that the defenders cant cap a single flag. PvP is the victum, so **** the rewards, gear and renown.

if we cant fight, then what is the point of playing.
Solution: 30min lockout timer on swapping realm so you are locked to playing that realm for 30mins. and reduse fort stage1 timer to 7minut of preparation time. That would be a step in the right direction atleast for population, then funnels are maybe easier to grasp how to tacle either as players or developers.

But right now forts give a good fight in like 1/15 active fortszones.

And the double account users? Despite Mordreads illusions and fake news about that there is no xrealms and absolutly no double account users, the truth is the totaly opposite - all xrealmers probably got double accounts.

[Alfa1986]

as for x realming. one of the possible reasons why people change side on more populated is that some people publish the number of people in this zone on each side in general chat. people see that they are in the minority and are rerolling to a more populated side. suggestion :
to make impossible to see the real number of people in this zone on each side, and you can see only total number of players.

[carlos]

as for x realming. one of the possible reasons why people change side on more populated is that some people publish the number of people in this zone on each side in general chat. people see that they are in the minority and are rerolling to a more populated side. suggestion :
to make impossible to see the real number of people in this zone on each side, and you can see only total number of players.

So your suggestion is to remove one of the major tools the underdog have to fight/dodge the big zerg blob?