What would it take: Queue for 6v6

[Arbich]

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Nada .
Did my share of 6 mans and ended sick of it, both scs and rvr.

There is 2 sectors of people who do 6 mans for scs . the first and bigger by long, is the pug farmers, they are premade , have coms and composition, but they are not interested to face smash another premade, their goal is simple as best to grind as much and fast pugers on non pug scs to reap rewards and rr as possible without much risk

The second and imo the worst are the wanna be e sport pros, they bitch moan and on general ruin ur fun on a good fight. they fight for the right to claim they are the best group. and the one with biggest epeen on server . very few of these remains . And i deem em as the worst because they got their mouth full of crap when they die on rvr and begin to call u zerger, and other nice stuff.But they will not essistate to chase single players duos or trios and 6 man zerg em..... ahh and they will avoid fighting with aao like the pest becauze omg we can get zerged mentality. and will morph into type 1 of premade and grind for a few hours pugs and other type 1 premades pug farming aswell(usualy these premades end running to lakes if type 2 is on scs).


the 6vs6 few selected players(the same after almost 3 years) has been using this debate to loby cry menace or moan for long time to the point its nowdays dead . in general they are toxic and are rude to other players who doesnt share his vision of ror. on words of one of them filthy casuals .Most people here dont come to play competitive, come to have fun, competitive players go play lol and other games. people come to ror for A nostalgia, B warhammer lore .

now on a more serious note, why bother to 6vs6 everyone end playing the same , since it make the game to much competitive it kills creatitivity and flavour since there is quite alot of classes wich dont perform the same .

Now u if u want more 6vs6 u can always do some **** like overlord , but only be bought with 6vs6 tokens. garanted the 95% of population will not bother with it but well better is nada if u want to throw a bone to the 6 mans.

So you are saying there are the bad groups, that fear real competention and only want to farm inferior enemys and even worse groups that want to be the "best" group on server and want to show everyone their massive epeen?

Good, nice player play solo? In a MMO? If it is satire, I don´t get it.

Reasons for not doing more 6vs6 is the limited amount of enemies (often the same group all the evening and sooner or later you know which group is superior) and the lack of diversity in the environment (allways same map).
Maybe give some more scenarios a random chance to be a 6vs6 sc, if there is a group queuing on the other side. Rewards are not that important for me. Nice fights are reward enough.

IN a MMO u dictate how u want to play and with who u want to play. IT IS your choice .There is a difference btween chosing to play solo or small scale or 6 man or wb . none of that dictate ur level skill or ability to play a class .
Choke force people into a style of playing Has been always bad bussines for any game and it often ended badly for the game designers .

There is plenty of players wich solo do small scale or even do wbs and fare well without the contrains of anyone saying how they should play. Who are you to say they are not nice players?.

So you are serious?

You basically said that everyone that group up for scenario is either a coward or an asshole and at the same time call these players toxic. You really don´t get this inconsistency?

[lefze]

There are certain things like SW ini debuff that completely break the 6v6 balance. Punt guarding tank, grim slash the target, 90%+ chance to be crit, done. The target WILL die in a GCD or 2 (at best) without even having the time to react and do anything about it. I refuse to queue a 6v6 when something so stupid exists. If i queue 6v6 i want a level playing field for a competitive match.

It has already been proven that this simply isn't true. Stop using a completely false excuse and go kill some people. Might sound ridiculous if you aren't able to look at it objectively, but Wrist Slash effectively increases the required initiative of any given class by 45 initiative when compared to pre-october/november patches. That's about two talisman slots or a few renown points and one talisman slot, assuming you don't run a Black Ork, which pretty much makes the debuff drown completely into trashtier. We are talking a 3%-9% debuff total depending on tank setup on non-sorc/we/shammy/whatever other classes automatically get 300 ini unbuffed. These classes put the debuff even lower.

So basically your only excuse for not queueing is invalid, go queue. And also getting really tired of repeating this stuff, but people have such a skewed perception of this non-issue so I just feel forced to do it.

[Arteker616]

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So you are saying there are the bad groups, that fear real competention and only want to farm inferior enemys and even worse groups that want to be the "best" group on server and want to show everyone their massive epeen?

Good, nice player play solo? In a MMO? If it is satire, I don´t get it.

Reasons for not doing more 6vs6 is the limited amount of enemies (often the same group all the evening and sooner or later you know which group is superior) and the lack of diversity in the environment (allways same map).
Maybe give some more scenarios a random chance to be a 6vs6 sc, if there is a group queuing on the other side. Rewards are not that important for me. Nice fights are reward enough.

IN a MMO u dictate how u want to play and with who u want to play. IT IS your choice .There is a difference btween chosing to play solo or small scale or 6 man or wb . none of that dictate ur level skill or ability to play a class .
Choke force people into a style of playing Has been always bad bussines for any game and it often ended badly for the game designers .

There is plenty of players wich solo do small scale or even do wbs and fare well without the contrains of anyone saying how they should play. Who are you to say they are not nice players?.

So you are serious?

You basically said that everyone that group up for scenario is either a coward or an asshole and at the same time call these players toxic. You really don´t get this inconsistency?

Wrong, i never mentioned these words, dont put on me words i dont used . i said there is 2 types of premades , both prety valid since the game rules . but with different behaviour, pug farmers and epeen premades wich are only looking for fights vs another premades .

Than type 2 premades is more toxic is a Fact, Since when they lose the tend to berate and insult the puggers or on general ,insult other players .Why i have to stand on a SC the classic premade who claims are the best insult a squig herder for being mele , pr because a slayer is rumba or a a choppa is grobbock,........ Or the fact they lecture other players when they never have the courage to show up on rvr where they can use THE skill to fight a blob when they have 300 aao. because we know the premades who used to do it died and left server long ago.

[lefze]

IN a MMO u dictate how u want to play and with who u want to play. IT IS your choice .There is a difference btween chosing to play solo or small scale or 6 man or wb . none of that dictate ur level skill or ability to play a class .
Choke force people into a style of playing Has been always bad bussines for any game and it often ended badly for the game designers .

There is plenty of players wich solo do small scale or even do wbs and fare well without the contrains of anyone saying how they should play. Who are you to say they are not nice players?.

So you are serious?

You basically said that everyone that group up for scenario is either a coward or an asshole and at the same time call these players toxic. You really don´t get this inconsistency?

Wrong, i never mentioned these words, dont put on me words i dont used . i said there is 2 types of premades , both prety valid since the game rules . but with different behaviour, pug farmers and epeen premades wich are only looking for fights vs another premades .

Than type 2 premades is more toxic is a Fact, Since when they lose the tend to berate and insult the puggers or on general ,insult other players .Why i have to stand on a SC the classic premade who claims are the best insult a squig herder for being mele , pr because a slayer is rumba or a a choppa is grobbock,........ Or the fact they lecture other players when they never have the courage to show up on rvr where they can use THE skill to fight a blob when they have 300 aao. because we know the premades who used to do it died and left server long ago.

You are simply wrong, each premade exists of wildly differing individuals, with wildly differing personalities and attitudes. And they do switch sides, mostly to actually play on the underdog side to get the benefit of AAO.

[simtex]

More opposition, their is seriously 2/3 groups on server who acctually understand group comps/game mechanics from teamplay perspective and acctually use it ingame.

Then you got the mediocre groups who try to be competetive but just fall short cause they cant get 6 decent players together, always that weak link that can be abused.

I've given up on 6v6 scene awhile ago, people are just to butthurt about loosing and when someone acctually pulls off a win against a group that is supposed to be better - youtube videos are posted and the unrelevant retards who never did nothing but stand AFK on BOs comes in and have opinions about it.

Just face it we playing ths ancient MMORPG with **** balance, let people do what they want - if it's pug farming or tryharding 6v6 trying to be considered the best. Why do we even care anymore, just try to have some fun.

And yes, i know im an arrogant asshole and im L O V I N G it.

[NoRKaLKiLLa]

Asked for suggestions and feedback which would make people who don't queue for 6v6 do so- as those of us who do would like more competition and a larger variety of groups/guilds/comps we come up against.

Page 3 and you're just attacking each other. Thanks. I really appreciate it.

[peterthepan3]

Why is it that those with no interest or intention to ever take part in 6v6 (simply using this as an opportunity to express their disdain that the mere topic be discussed) always manage to find a way to make this a 'let's sling **** at premades because one single premade called me a noob SH 2 years ago in Mourkain Temple!' contest?

Please keep feedback relevant to Nork's post. If you want to bitch about premades, this ain't the place.

[lefze]

Asked for suggestions and feedback which would make people who don't queue for 6v6 do so- as those of us who do would like more competition and a larger variety of groups/guilds/comps we come up against.

Page 3 and you're just attacking each other. Thanks. I really appreciate it.

To be fair, there is some actually valuable feedback here.

1. Tone down the toxicity.
2. Get variety in skill levels, not only facing the same rr70+ premade helps. Peter is offering a solution for this with no takers, so maybe if people start helping him more, like you did, we might see this remedied.
3. Leaderboards. This CAN be community driven, but it takes a lot of effort.
4. A lot of stuff was mentioned for actual game mechanic changes, but that's not gonna happen.
5. Nerf ASW obviously.

On a serious note, sorry I participated in derailing your thread.

[Arteker616]

Asked for suggestions and feedback which would make people who don't queue for 6v6 do so- as those of us who do would like more competition and a larger variety of groups/guilds/comps we come up against.

Page 3 and you're just attacking each other. Thanks. I really appreciate it.

My apology Norka , did not wanted to derail ur post , just wanted to provide u feedback on my opinion and others about the subject of 6vs6.
As i allready did, my best wishes with it

[simtex]

Nerf ASW, instant 6v6 scene.

There you go bro, feedback.