WElf Nerf

[Skoll888]

What annoys me most is this “zero risk, high reward” talk. When you go into the Lakes solo, the risk is already high, and the longer it takes to kill someone, the higher the chance you’ll get picked off. And as nat3s has pointed out multiple times, there are plenty of classes that, when built properly, have absolutely no issues dealing with a defensive Welf. People are creating a problem here that doesn’t actually exist.

[SuperStar]

What annoys me most is this “zero risk, high reward” talk. When you go into the Lakes solo, the risk is already high, and the longer it takes to kill someone, the higher the chance you’ll get picked off. And as nat3s has pointed out multiple times, there are plenty of classes that, when built properly, have absolutely no issues dealing with a defensive Welf. People are creating a problem here that doesn’t actually exist.

Yeah with very high parry for exmaple if you are good in movement you can counter it but in that case beavuse her armor toughness amd regen and utilities she will just stagger run absorb potion stealth. This is why this is a zero risk high reward gameplay. This is why its unfair and unbalaced. This is why its coz a lot of fustration over the year.

Nothing wrong with zero risk but the reward should be also even if not zero very low or atleast low not high.

[nat3s]

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I'm reading the point you keep repeating, but disagree. Big difference. The problem isn't understanding you, it's that I personally think you're wrong.

Repeating yourself isn't going to help there, but presenting evidence rather than opinion might. Dummy logs from a def WE, killboard engagements, anything to support your suggestion that def WE does high damage - what you'll find is, it simply doesn't as that's not what makes it powerful in the right hands.

[Krima]

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I'm reading the point you keep repeating, but disagree. Big difference. The problem isn't understanding you, it's that I personally think you're wrong.

Repeating yourself isn't going to help there, but presenting evidence rather than opinion might. Dummy logs from a def WE, killboard engagements, anything to support your suggestion that def WE does high damage - what you'll find is, it simply doesn't as that's not what makes it powerful in the right hands.

There is no damage or burst in a full defensive WE build.

I’m back after a 3-year absence and have been reading the forums about Solater and similar players. We joined a scenario together, and to be honest, I was expecting a bit more from the player you guys claim is such a strong defensive WE. The guy didn’t even bother switching gear. I mean, come on.

There are heals, guard, and yet defensive WEs still go full berserk defense? There is no burst or real DPS in that kind of build, believe me.

It’s not only Solater either. I’ve seen many def WEs who don’t bother switching to DPS gear in scenarios. Are you guys permanently stuck with that type of build or what? they enter scenarios with all those regen rings and chest

Many of you are very high renown players. I believe you all have a second set of Sovereign or something similar with STR/WS talismans on it.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 27c08718bc

[SuperStar]

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I'm reading the point you keep repeating, but disagree. Big difference. The problem isn't understanding you, it's that I personally think you're wrong.

Repeating yourself isn't going to help there, but presenting evidence rather than opinion might. Dummy logs from a def WE, killboard engagements, anything to support your suggestion that def WE does high damage - what you'll find is, it simply doesn't as that's not what makes it powerful in the right hands.

There is no damage or burst in a full defensive WE build.

I’m back after a 3-year absence and have been reading the forums about Solater and similar players. We joined a scenario together, and to be honest, I was expecting a bit more from the player you guys claim is such a strong defensive WE. The guy didn’t even bother switching gear. I mean, come on.

There are heals, guard, and yet defensive WEs still go full berserk defense? There is no burst or real DPS in that kind of build, believe me.

It’s not only Solater either. I’ve seen many def WEs who don’t bother switching to DPS gear in scenarios. Are you guys permanently stuck with that type of build or what? they enter scenarios with all those regen rings and chest

Many of you are very high renown players. I believe you all have a second set of Sovereign or something similar with STR/WS talismans on it.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 27c08718bc

Its smaller compared to a full glass cannon dps, but if we take into account that def welf didnt invest to offense at all and put everything on def is very high.

This is why everbody get fustrated, they are unfair unbalanced.
Zero risk, high reward.

Nobody get fustrated about a glass cannon welf they come and can kill a lowbie in almost one kd. But they put everything on offense.

[SuperStar]

I'm reading the point you keep repeating, but disagree. Big difference. The problem isn't understanding you, it's that I personally think you're wrong.

Repeating yourself isn't going to help there, but presenting evidence rather than opinion might. Dummy logs from a def WE, killboard engagements, anything to support your suggestion that def WE does high damage - what you'll find is, it simply doesn't as that's not what makes it powerful in the right hands.

There is no damage or burst in a full defensive WE build.

I’m back after a 3-year absence and have been reading the forums about Solater and similar players. We joined a scenario together, and to be honest, I was expecting a bit more from the player you guys claim is such a strong defensive WE. The guy didn’t even bother switching gear. I mean, come on.

There are heals, guard, and yet defensive WEs still go full berserk defense? There is no burst or real DPS in that kind of build, believe me.

It’s not only Solater either. I’ve seen many def WEs who don’t bother switching to DPS gear in scenarios. Are you guys permanently stuck with that type of build or what? they enter scenarios with all those regen rings and chest

Many of you are very high renown players. I believe you all have a second set of Sovereign or something similar with STR/WS talismans on it.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 27c08718bc

Its smaller compared to a full glass cannon dps, but if we take into account that def welf didnt invest to offense at all and put everything on def is very high.

This is why everbody get fustrated, they are unfair unbalanced.
Zero risk, high reward.

Nobody get fustrated about a glass cannon welf they come and can kill a lowbie in almost one kd. But they put everything on offense.

Witchbrew is basicly a morel dmg in every 10sec.

[eigner93]

Nerf base damage of all corp dots and witchbrew and increase the str multiplier on them and problem would be solved. If a we wants to be unkillable let them be, they dont have burst but they still do too much consistent damage without any offensive stat investment. Other melee dps could not do this.

[salazarn]

What annoys me most is this “zero risk, high reward” talk. When you go into the Lakes solo, the risk is already high, and the longer it takes to kill someone, the higher the chance you’ll get picked off. And as nat3s has pointed out multiple times, there are plenty of classes that, when built properly, have absolutely no issues dealing with a defensive Welf. People are creating a problem here that doesn’t actually exist.

Witch hunter dont get 600 shields every 3s and 2 gap closers and a suite of debuffs. Also it is exceptionally hard for most ppl to kill def welf. You are playing an op spec challenge urself

[Shogun4138]

I love how you all have been killed by a WE and cry. Yet you avoid the fact they can be killed easily. Even regen WEs due fast if you know what to do.

On all regen classes. Stack your dots to negate regen. Cc them and kill. Unfortunately most players freak out, dump all their moves in the first 3 seconds.

Learn to counter regen. Our best move is release.

[nat3s]

What annoys me most is this “zero risk, high reward” talk. When you go into the Lakes solo, the risk is already high, and the longer it takes to kill someone, the higher the chance you’ll get picked off. And as nat3s has pointed out multiple times, there are plenty of classes that, when built properly, have absolutely no issues dealing with a defensive Welf. People are creating a problem here that doesn’t actually exist.

Witch hunter dont get 600 shields every 3s and 2 gap closers and a suite of debuffs. Also it is exceptionally hard for most ppl to kill def welf. You are playing an op spec challenge urself

That 600 absorb only procs when you are crit. WH absorb is 375 and procs from all hits. It's just different flavours of tactic.

It is hard for some glass cannon specs to kill a WE, def specs exploit glass cannon specs. Most classes with a def spec can and do beat def WE however.

Try beating a def WL which you class, you'll find it tougher than a def WE. Same for an RP, Zeal, AM etc.