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[Ksekwlothreftis]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?

He doesn't understand maths and per chance procs man. This whole argument section is pointless. I also don't know where that high damage comes from Witchbrew, the base damage is like 280x6 = 1680 spread over ~4 gcds.

[SuperStar]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?

There is a portal abilityviewer i link it

https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/list

Ability dmg formula:
Base dmg + x*bonus damage + x*weapon dmg

The witchbrew and the kiss dmg is too high.
Aganist base dmg the toughness wont work.
These abilites are magic dmg so armor either.

With tactic and items and 1,5 speed sentinel weapons it can proc very often. It has a 0,25 cd. Amd its also healherself and healdebuff.

Dok has a similarcovenant with 2 sec cd not 0,25 cd.
This is why the def welf is a zero risk high rewad class and many of us feel fustration and unfair.

They can do this with zero offensive stat. They put everything on def. Regen armor toughness. They have all the ability duble jum woundsdebuff magic dots what is stackable, healdebuff insta stealth stealth, toughness debuff. Stagger kd. I think this one class has almost everything whats int the game. They dont have pet and cant guard even if they could based on defnsive stat.

And the only problem they hit to hard without invest into offensive stat this is the problem.

[nat3s]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?

There is a portal abilityviewer i link it

https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/list

Ability dmg formula:
Base dmg + x*bonus damage + x*weapon dmg

The witchbrew and the kiss dmg is too high.
Aganist base dmg the toughness wont work.
These abilites are magic dmg so armor either.

With tactic and items and 1,5 speed sentinel weapons it can proc very often. It has a 0,25 cd. Amd its also healherself and healdebuff.

Dok has a similarcovenant with 2 sec cd not 0,25 cd.
D

Yes I know Dalen's ability viewer.

Witchbrew and Kiss damage is not too high. They cannot crit and they ARE reduced by toughness and resists.

Yes I use 1.5 and 1.6 sent weapons, but NO Kiss does not proc every 0.25s, it procs every 5-8s as it has a % chance on melee swing, it is NOT every melee swing. Here is a fight I recently had with a decent WL:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/61722513

Kiss did 2.2k damage over a 90s duel, that's tiny. Witchbrew did 3.5k.

[SuperStar]

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?

There is a portal abilityviewer i link it

https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/list

Ability dmg formula:
Base dmg + x*bonus damage + x*weapon dmg

The witchbrew and the kiss dmg is too high.
Aganist base dmg the toughness wont work.
These abilites are magic dmg so armor either.

With tactic and items and 1,5 speed sentinel weapons it can proc very often. It has a 0,25 cd. Amd its also healherself and healdebuff.

Dok has a similarcovenant with 2 sec cd not 0,25 cd.
D

Yes I know Dalen's ability viewer.

Witchbrew and Kiss damage is not too high. They cannot crit and they ARE reduced by toughness and resists.

Yes I use 1.5 and 1.6 sent weapons, but NO Kiss does not proc every 0.25s, it procs every 5-8s as it has a % chance on melee swing, it is NOT every melee swing. Here is a fight I recently had with a decent WL:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/61722513

Kiss did 2.2k damage over a 90s duel, that's tiny. Witchbrew did 3.5k.

You prove my point. Full def welf armor talis regen and everything.

The base dmg cannot reduced by toughness only the dmg bonus part.

This is why i write its unfair zero risk high reward gameplay.

Nothing wrong when somone inves into offensive stats and can make big dmg but the welf got it free. Def welf can put everything on def and still can do decent dmg with his toms of utilities.

Lower the base the fell def welf should not be able to do high dmg. Let it crit but make the base dmg very small. And give the kisses a 2 sec cd same like dok. And make the +50% aa sped tactic proc on crit , then rhey have to invest to crit.

Most of us dont wanna see regen armored tough tanks in bikini who can deal tons of dmg in bikini.

Its a zero risk, high reward gameplay. Unfair and makes the others fustrated.

[nat3s]

There is a portal abilityviewer i link it

https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/list

Ability dmg formula:
Base dmg + x*bonus damage + x*weapon dmg

The witchbrew and the kiss dmg is too high.
Aganist base dmg the toughness wont work.
These abilites are magic dmg so armor either.

With tactic and items and 1,5 speed sentinel weapons it can proc very often. It has a 0,25 cd. Amd its also healherself and healdebuff.

Dok has a similarcovenant with 2 sec cd not 0,25 cd.
D

Yes I know Dalen's ability viewer.

Witchbrew and Kiss damage is not too high. They cannot crit and they ARE reduced by toughness and resists.

Yes I use 1.5 and 1.6 sent weapons, but NO Kiss does not proc every 0.25s, it procs every 5-8s as it has a % chance on melee swing, it is NOT every melee swing. Here is a fight I recently had with a decent WL:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/61722513

Kiss did 2.2k damage over a 90s duel, that's tiny. Witchbrew did 3.5k.

You prove my point. Full def welf armor talis regen and everything.

The base dmg cannot reduced by toughness only the dmg bonus part.

This is why i write its unfair zero risk high reward gameplay.

Nothing wrong when somone inves into offensive stats and can make big dmg but the welf got it free. Def welf can put everything on def and still can do decent dmg with his toms of utilities.

Lower the base the fell def welf should not be able to do high dmg. Let it crit but make the base dmg very small. And give the kisses a 2 sec cd same like dok. And make the +50% aa sped tactic proc on crit , then rhey have to invest to crit.

Most of us dont wanna see regen armored tough tanks in bikini who can deal tons of dmg in bikini.

Its a zero risk, high reward gameplay. Unfair and makes the others fustrated.

Witchbrew and Kiss do not do big damage, that's your assertion. A lot of abilities have a base damage element to the formula much like Witchbrew.

In def setup, WEs do tickle damage, hence the long fights. Witchbrew is hitting for 250-350 in def setup (10s CD), Kiss for 180 every 5-8s.

I think you'd have more success arguing why def WE is powerful, focusing on the damage being too high, when it's not, is a weaker argument for me.

[SuperStar]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?

He doesn't understand maths and per chance procs man. This whole argument section is pointless. I also don't know where that high damage comes from Witchbrew, the base damage is like 280x6 = 1680 spread over ~4 gcds.

With tactic and set and set bonus and with sentinal fast weapon speed how many AA can happen a sec? 3-4? And you prob also use abilities too. So it will be happen once a sec 180 magic dmg no toughnes no armor effect itwith zero offensive stat. And it will heal the welf 180hp/sec for 45 rr point we can buy 140 hp / FOUR sec not per 1 sc.

The dok has a similar covenenat it has a 2 sec cd for a REAson!

Dont forget the weapon dmage part from the withbrew dmg formula. Like i said no touhness or armor has effect on it. Same unfairness like the kisses.

[SuperStar]

Yes I know Dalen's ability viewer.

Witchbrew and Kiss damage is not too high. They cannot crit and they ARE reduced by toughness and resists.

Yes I use 1.5 and 1.6 sent weapons, but NO Kiss does not proc every 0.25s, it procs every 5-8s as it has a % chance on melee swing, it is NOT every melee swing. Here is a fight I recently had with a decent WL:

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/61722513

Kiss did 2.2k damage over a 90s duel, that's tiny. Witchbrew did 3.5k.

You prove my point. Full def welf armor talis regen and everything.

The base dmg cannot reduced by toughness only the dmg bonus part.

This is why i write its unfair zero risk high reward gameplay.

Nothing wrong when somone inves into offensive stats and can make big dmg but the welf got it free. Def welf can put everything on def and still can do decent dmg with his toms of utilities.

Lower the base the fell def welf should not be able to do high dmg. Let it crit but make the base dmg very small. And give the kisses a 2 sec cd same like dok. And make the +50% aa sped tactic proc on crit , then rhey have to invest to crit.

Most of us dont wanna see regen armored tough tanks in bikini who can deal tons of dmg in bikini.

Its a zero risk, high reward gameplay. Unfair and makes the others fustrated.

Witchbrew and Kiss do not do big damage, that's your assertion. A lot of abilities have a base damage element to the formula much like Witchbrew.

In def setup, WEs do tickle damage, hence the long fights. Witchbrew is hitting for 250-350 in def setup (10s CD), Kiss for 180 every 5-8s.

I think you'd have more success arguing why def WE is powerful, focusing on the damage being too high, when it's not, is a weaker argument for me.

Make all the welf dmg ability to physical not magical and you will see a full def welf dmg is absurd. This is why makes a lot of fustration for a log time. No other mdps do this many magic dmg. This is why is absurd high. Everybody has to invest to offensive stat str crit or weapon skill. Def welf just can put every thing on defensive and can kill.

Zero risk, high reward unfair gameplay.


Has to be a compensation ok welf do magic dmg so armor wont affect it but should reduced the base dmg to compensate and be balanced. Thats all.

[nat3s]

You prove my point. Full def welf armor talis regen and everything.

The base dmg cannot reduced by toughness only the dmg bonus part.

This is why i write its unfair zero risk high reward gameplay.

Nothing wrong when somone inves into offensive stats and can make big dmg but the welf got it free. Def welf can put everything on def and still can do decent dmg with his toms of utilities.

Lower the base the fell def welf should not be able to do high dmg. Let it crit but make the base dmg very small. And give the kisses a 2 sec cd same like dok. And make the +50% aa sped tactic proc on crit , then rhey have to invest to crit.

Most of us dont wanna see regen armored tough tanks in bikini who can deal tons of dmg in bikini.

Its a zero risk, high reward gameplay. Unfair and makes the others fustrated.

Witchbrew and Kiss do not do big damage, that's your assertion. A lot of abilities have a base damage element to the formula much like Witchbrew.

In def setup, WEs do tickle damage, hence the long fights. Witchbrew is hitting for 250-350 in def setup (10s CD), Kiss for 180 every 5-8s.

I think you'd have more success arguing why def WE is powerful, focusing on the damage being too high, when it's not, is a weaker argument for me.

Make all the welf dmg ability to physical not magical and you will see a full def welf dmg is absurd. This is why makes a lot of fustration for a log time. No other mdps do this many magic dmg. This is why is absurd high. Everybody has to invest to offensive stat str crit or weapon skill. Def welf just can put every thing on defensive and can kill.

Zero risk, high reward unfair gameplay.


Has to be a compensation ok welf do magic dmg so armor wont affect it but should reduced the base dmg to compensate and be balanced. Thats all.

Def WE doesn't do high damage. It's that simple.

Def WE doing a good proportion of magic damage is the reason why it works, yes 100%. Much like why solo Chosen, SM, Kotbs, def Mag, def Engi all work well as they have a mix of magic and physical damage.

The power of def WE isn't it's damage, you're not on the right track there, it is def gear + absorb + kiss heal + regen + TB + magic damage options i.e. the whole package. Probably the biggest buff it had recently was the introduction of TB renown.

However, your main argument I assume is that is too powerful? If so, I disagree, other classes do it better, I'd say it's strong, solid A tier, but it's no WL, RP, Zeal, AM in solo play.