[Mara] "Convulsive Slashing" Change

[Avernus]

Spoiler:

PB was to help balance for the lack of pet damage / loner tactic. Our's got nerfed, WL didn't. Although i feel both classes are still ok in general.

If you are using loner tactic - you can't use +50% crit damage.

As WL, you are using the loner not because it gives you more damage - it's not. Its reserved for the situations where you are unable mitigate your class's main weakness - your own pet (and devs did absolutely NOTHING to address that).

What does that mean? It means that loner is reserved for PvE (unless its safe to use your pet), AoE (usually) or when your opponent is aware that your damage is garbage without your pet so they kill it the moment it moves into their range (and your damage together with your pet).

Imagine as a mara that you've got into melee range, used a few skills and all of a sudden your damage is dropped to the point that some dps BO will laugh at your pathetic numbers.

P.S. I'm not sure that loner WL is better as ST dps than SM...As for the pet damage - ask SH, their Spiked thing is completely broken.

I imagine we will never agree and that's ok. i do agree the pet is trash, but loner is nice. I do have 80+ both of WL and Mara, i know that mara is strong, but WL in my experience is (was?) significantly stronger in the main game play of this game. ORvR. In small scale, mara probably wins out. I do think both classes are still viable in both small- and large-scale fights, even after patch.

EDIT: sorry for derailing thread. In all honesty, the patch really didn't change the builds for most mara outside of situational skills.

Well, it is indeed good to have a loner so you at least have an option to play if pet is not an option. And i do agree that WL is (was?) good in ORvR as simple and effective AoE dps. And to be honest he isn't bad in smallscale too. His weakness is usually group pvp where he is expected to do good ST damage but pet is starting to die too fast (often isn't from direct damage but from collateral).

And having no incoming healing debuff isn't helping.

[wildwindblows]

Maybe, it should just mirror aSW "Swift Strikes"?
With +25% extra crit chance added to CS to Unstable Convulsions, like Merciles Soldier gives to SS?

It should be brutal, it's Brutality after all.

Mara should pick changer's gift tactic to receive stance stat buffs. SW get them free :/
This class needs additional 4 tactic slot to be usefull.

[vanbuinen77]

Remove the stance cooldowns

[M0rw47h]

Mara should pick changer's gift tactic to receive stance stat buffs. SW get them free :/
This class needs additional 4 tactic slot to be usefull.

I don't agree here. I've played both Mara and SW ALOT.
SW gets stats for "free", while Marauder gets stance procs for "free". I think main issue is, Marauder stance procs got hit hard with multiple nerfs over years, especially Monstro, which was supposed to be counter to melee trains. I will try to write complex feedback thread about Marauder.

Remove the stance cooldowns

Excellent idea. Proper stance dancing require skill already.

[wildwindblows]

I don't agree here. I've played both Mara and SW ALOT.
SW gets stats for "free", while Marauder gets stance procs for "free". I think main issue is, Marauder stance procs got hit hard with multiple nerfs over years, especially Monstro, which was supposed to be counter to melee trains. I will try to write complex

Mara gets those "free" stance procs with 25% chance and for 5 sec. Nothing is perma here but sw gets them for free and perma.

[M0rw47h]

I don't agree here. I've played both Mara and SW ALOT.
SW gets stats for "free", while Marauder gets stance procs for "free". I think main issue is, Marauder stance procs got hit hard with multiple nerfs over years, especially Monstro, which was supposed to be counter to melee trains. I will try to write complex

Mara gets those "free" stance procs with 25% chance and for 5 sec. Nothing is perma here but sw gets them for free and perma.

This really isn't issue. Real issue is those procs are overnerfed.

[arcane600]

I agree stance procs seem to not do very much. It is rather a bane than a boon to have stances like this at all. The additional damage Sav/Brut stance do is also extremely low that it is neglectable.

Also Sav Stance procs never crit. Same for "Touch of Rot" and "Touch of Instability"....

But we need to take FoF tactic and have the vulnerability up most of the time.

[siglade]

I agree stance procs seem to not do very much. It is rather a bane than a boon to have stances like this at all. The additional damage Sav/Brut stance do is also extremely low that it is neglectable.

Also Sav Stance procs never crit. Same for "Touch of Rot" and "Touch of Instability"....

But we need to take FoF tactic and have the vulnerability up most of the time.

Wonder if you even play mara.