Please make DPS DoK fun again

[Kyouaku]

DPS DoK had a lot of amazing stuff, it had curse of khaine to heal debuff on crit, devour essence and fell sacrifice to keep it applied on people, it had a 15 sec AOE detaunt tactic, it had a strong spammable AOE heal for all allies close to def target. It had crippling drawbacks of no other good utility or even having charge, but that stuff was so good it was a very competitive class in SCs and orvr and was a lot of fun to manage.

Now though, it lose it's on crit healdebuff, the AOE tactic that made it really tanky, the super good spirit damage AOE that healed, and the ability to AOE heal with devour essence, and, almost as importantly, we got a shield spec added that ruins a lot of the gear for DPS DoK.

DPS DoK had its OP stuff removed while other melee DPS kept theirs.

At this point in time, unless you are playing ranked(And DPS DoK just sees play there because the mura is so good and it operates off burst windows, which healing can counter), a DPS DoK is just better off replaced with a different DPS. No charge, no pull, squishy, horrible AOE damage, no spammable AOE heal, inferior gear. It's been absolutely gutted.

In SCs or rvr, other melee DPS are now just a lot better, and I'd hope you'd change it back to how it was and fix the gear issue


I think there are 2 ways to go about this:

1) Just revert the class to what it was. Simple, it was awesome, let it be awesome again

2) Give it unique and awesome things again if you are deadset on keeping curse of khaine out of the game and letting order maintain a healing advantage with it's better knight auras, WP health buff, and easy access to outgoing healdebuff on 2h IB vrs 2h BG. Devour essence as it was was awesome, having the Point Blank AOE heal returned would be nice too.


My last big point is: The Gear. DoKs have a really bad selection for DPS gear as the shield hogs the sov set and several others. If you want a shield spec, fine, just give DoKs +1 sets of gear vrs other classes to compensate, give us a Sov set that is a copy of the Muras or the WEs IMO. Other healers have more DPS gear to choose from then DoKs because of the sheild spec taking so much, and some of the sets we're left with just suck. DPS DoKs should always have the option to just choose some regular str DPS gear

Having the new DPS set waste a bonus on +SE regen while not giving str is heartbreaking to see.

[Dekata]

Yes, make destro more op pls...

[Kyouaku]

Yes, make destro more op pls...

DPS DoK was just as OP as any other melee DPS, it def wasnt an auto win for destro, it was just good, like all the other melee DPS's are now.

[fatelvis]

Yes, make destro more op pls...

Could you please state the time frame destro is op atm so I can plan accordingly?
Because everytime I play it get's steamrolled left and right.

[Demonito]

It would be great to swap warlord and sov gear !
The last healer patch brought some cool changes and few disappointments

Excellent stuff added in dps spec ;
The armor debuff is epic, healdebuff is easier to apply and spamming Essence Lash is really cool in PvE
Wracking Agony boost is fun for catching people who run away in RvR
Soul Shielding as a base spell and the Aoe detaunt are nice add

For the bad part ;
The nerf of Sanguinary Extension (it used to refresh debuff)
Now it does a super slow (while dok already have another spell + an aura) and without the buff does low dps
Some downgrades in dps like Cleave Soul (that ignored armor)
The worst is Drowning in Blood, wich was a cool spell on a long CD, giving a huge burst for a short time,
Now it's 5s CD, no more grants CD reduction and blocks your Soul gain
Using 2 cast for every finishing is boring as hell

Spoiler:

Offtopic :

Especially in PvP, the shield spec had been nerf too much
It already had a lot of weak points (disarm/stun/punt/almost no outside heals...) and was mostly strong against new players
Khaine Force and Transfer Essence are both the same spell, except KF>TE
To add KF seems superficial as it's simply what used to be TE but instead cost way too much
Also, healdebuff affecting lifetap could be alright if healings were not weaker
Giving an undefandable tactic is the main boost, yet doesn't help much since heals were badly reduced
(Would suggest an extra % ignoring armor when hitting from sides)
In the end, the old rotation with Consume/Transfer Essence felt more fun and efficient
Blood of my Blood removed is awful, it was the only way to save your team when punted miles away (it also saved some BS run)
Sould ward was fun for keep battles and useful to skip GB/BS trash, idk why it was also removed
Just like Zealot rituals, it's a pity to delete spells with unique visuals/animations
(+few more stange stuff like Khaine's Encouragement buff next casted heal or Transfer Essence can now be used with chalice)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At last Healing Spec is even better now
Soul Energy should simply cost less to be worthy (or remove the 1.5 trigger) and Khaine's Bounty tactic was a huge nerf but kinda deserve it

Sorry for I already cried quite the same review in dok/wp topic ;
>Shield Dok is the first to need changes

Except that new Drowning in Blood mechanic, dps dok is still excellent imo
Mostly lack something to reach Rdps as they can kite you easily
Spec sure is a bit squishy wich seems normal for all the support it can provide

[Sinisterror]

I have to say that old dps dok with spirit dmg high hitting Devour essence Trigging 50% Ae heal debuff with the 50% healdebuff tactic + With Transfer Essence/Sigmars radiance that healed your grp for 75% + fixed amount of hp, when it critted it 800 heal was like 900 to whole grp. Spammable, gave 40Rf so it used Ap is very hard to beat.

But current dps dok is fun, I would have glady settled to 700-800 Armour debuff proc wpn for dok and never thought Dok's or (Wp) would get 1600 armour debuff, not sure if they should but hey : D Still same spec RoR.builders - Disciple of Khaine but if you have guard + heal you can do nice single target dmg espesially with 25% AA dmg blorc buff, and Interrupt can be very powerful + its super fun to get Killing blow with Wracking agony : D Not sure the speed buff is warranted but i do like it alot D

And because Divine Strike/Consume essence is physical and we have 1600 armour debuff, its 500-700hp per hit, but i really think this should do spirit dmg to 2 people near target and heal 3-6 nearest 150% with Shield and 2h/Dual wield 100% of the dmg, and extra dmg part of hit should be spirit dmg and heal 100% with shield 75% With 2h/dual wield.

[Battlefield]

On my opinion, at this moment dps Dok is somewhat better than dps WP, if compare the potential of dps damage. It means dps Dok now already more interesting to play than dps WP.

Consume Essence with Transferred Focus tactic become undefendable, against WHs it is too strong no cd ability with self healing.

[Demonito]

On my opinion, at this moment dps Dok is somewhat better than dps WP, if compare the potential of dps damage. It means dps Dok now already more interesting to play than dps WP.

Consume Essence with Transferred Focus tactic become undefendable, against WHs it is too strong no cd ability with self healing.

WP Guilty Soul is crazy
Life tap can be almost halved by inc+out healdebuff ; a high level WH will burst a dok spamming CE
___

Diggin'up topic to add :

Before patch, a new player only had to know : Lifetap = no healdebuff / depends on dmg
Now :

Spoiler:

Patchnote

The healing is split in a Base Heal and a lifesteal part, where only the lifesteal part is based on the damage you deal.
The lifesteal part of the damage is a separate heal that does not count as direct healing, cannot crit (as the damage can already crit), and remains unaffected by heal (de)buffs.
Their damage and healing (of the Base Heal) use Damage bonus.
The Base heal from these abilities can critically hit and uses Melee/Magic Crit for its crit chance and Critical Damage modifier to the critical heals.
The Base Heal does not scale with weapon damage.
The Base heal from these abilities has the same 10% additional crit chance as other healing abilities.
The healing from the Base Heal counts as direct heals.
The healing from the Base Heal is affected by incoming heal (de)buffs.
The healing from the Base Heal is affected by outgoing heal (de)buffs.
Even if the attack gets defended, it will still heal for the Base Heal.

Few things don't seem right :
Magic Crit for Crit Chance of Base Heal
Both healduff is too bad (especially for shield spec)
Adding a Base Heal makes 2 tactics heal even less : Divine Fury / Murderous Intent

The redesigned Torture Disciple of Khaine is built around the new Drowning in Blood. You will find that many abilities and tactics have been changed to create fun and interesting interactions.

To spam a spell every 5s to max your dps is pretty annoying
When the spell was on long CD, you would switch between huge burst / delay on helping others

Moreover, there's less interactions than before,
Wracking Agony : Obtained the crit that was removed
Sanguinary Extension : Only dot while it used to refresh all debuff
Cleave Soul : Adds damages instead of ignoring a % armor on sides

The CD reduction granted to all spells was also a far greater burst
Removing the GlobalCD on a self buff is however a really good idea other dps could use

Please rework Drowning in Blood for a longer Duration/CD
Way more fun to play

[Endari]

Please rework Drowning in Blood for a longer Duration/CD

Did you miss the part where when in use it stops SE regen?

[Demonito]

Did you miss the part where when in use it stops SE regen?

Sure is already disturbing, last version didn't have that malus
That's why I wrote "rework" as to be something brand new, a 15s SE regen stop would be silly ofc