Return of Reckoning

Oh I am all to familiar with live drop rates. I had a RR100 SH on my account on live,and had almost every other class to 40+. Maybe my perception is distorted, but I just play to have fun. I thoroughly enjoy PQs and dungeons just for the experience, but I don't like unnecessary grind. I find grind tedious and annoying, and it is beyond me why this is encouraged.

Shmerrick wrote: Oh I am all to familiar with live drop rates. I had a RR100 SH on my account on live,and had almost every other class to 40+. Maybe my perception is distorted, but I just play to have fun. I thoroughly enjoy PQs and dungeons just for the experience, but I don't like unnecessary grind. I find grind tedious and annoying, and it is beyond me why this is encouraged.

Oh, I by no means encouraged it. For me its just a necessary evil (dopamine dreadmill, yadayada), rather than an actual concern of mine, I don't really think about it if you will - hence I can't really consider it a grind myself.
But surely, especially if time is an issue - and it is for most (not getting to play since months myself .-.) - it tends to be infurating.

A compromise could be a vendor that trades gear that dropped and that no one needed for Ruin-esque tokens, this way you could turn it into something one could calculate with ~ the most tedious kind of grind is one without foreseeable end.
Abbd.: Alternatively the introduction of an account-bound trait, so you might be drowned in a thousand worthless engi gearpieces but still get <something> out of it, if its just fragments if you send it to your salvager or gear for an alt - that you will probably never even create, but ... still.

Any chance you might look at the 6pc Bonus procs for Redeye in the future? Specifically corrosion since it only really benefits 3 of the 6 tanks (KotBS/Chosen/SM) and it would be neat if they were more desirable at some point with different effects tailored specifically to each class.

Also the Back piece for Chosen might have an error in the google doc, it has more Corp/Elem resist than the other archetypes?

Perhaps my comment wasn't taken as sarcasm.

Loot will only drop for classes in your party, bosses will drop one piece of the set, and two pieces at a time (similar to Lair Bosses). So a full run through should guarantee 2 helm/shoulder/chest/back pieces. PQ's will drop the boots/gloves from gold bags, and on average a run should yield 4-5 gold bags across the 9 PQ's, more if you're lucky. These are more of the chance encounter, but, the PQ's on a shorter cooldown, and 3 of them guarantee a gold bag, I think people will be able to manage without currency.

It's not like Ruin where 5 pieces drop from 1 bag and you get stuck with the same pieces over and over. Each time someone completes their boot/glove combo, they can opt out of the gold bag, which increases the chances for everyone else.

The elements of chance and luck, and the things Darosh is talking about will still be present, as they are in many systems we've preserved from live. They are, to a degree, necessary. However, the most egregious offenders of grind are being replaced, as needed. However, we also acknowledge, no matter what steps are taken to find the sweet spot, we're going to get people yelling about how much grind there is. Even if they haven't played through the system at all...

wargrimnir wrote:Perhaps my comment wasn't taken as sarcasm.

Loot will only drop for classes in your party, bosses will drop one piece of the set, and two pieces at a time (similar to Lair Bosses). So a full run through should guarantee 2 helm/shoulder/chest/back pieces. PQ's will drop the boots/gloves from gold bags, and on average a run should yield 4-5 gold bags across the 9 PQ's, more if you're lucky. These are more of the chance encounter, but, the PQ's on a shorter cooldown, and 3 of them guarantee a gold bag, I think people will be able to manage without currency.

It's not like Ruin where 5 pieces drop from 1 bag and you get stuck with the same pieces over and over. Each time someone completes their boot/glove combo, they can opt out of the gold bag, which increases the chances for everyone else.

The elements of chance and luck, and the things Darosh is talking about will still be present, as they are in many systems we've preserved from live. They are, to a degree, necessary. However, the most egregious offenders of grind are being replaced, as needed. However, we also acknowledge, no matter what steps are taken to find the sweet spot, we're going to get people yelling about how much grind there is. Even if they haven't played through the system at all...

That's really refreshing to hear. Thanks wargrim. I'm really looking forward to the gunbad dungeon, but don't want it to be something we have to grind for. It doesn't sound like it will be a grind (literal two weeks to obtain?)

wargrimnir wrote:Perhaps my comment wasn't taken as sarcasm.

Loot will only drop for classes in your party, bosses will drop one piece of the set, and two pieces at a time (similar to Lair Bosses). So a full run through should guarantee 2 helm/shoulder/chest/back pieces. PQ's will drop the boots/gloves from gold bags, and on average a run should yield 4-5 gold bags across the 9 PQ's, more if you're lucky. These are more of the chance encounter, but, the PQ's on a shorter cooldown, and 3 of them guarantee a gold bag, I think people will be able to manage without currency.

It's not like Ruin where 5 pieces drop from 1 bag and you get stuck with the same pieces over and over. Each time someone completes their boot/glove combo, they can opt out of the gold bag, which increases the chances for everyone else.

The elements of chance and luck, and the things Darosh is talking about will still be present, as they are in many systems we've preserved from live. They are, to a degree, necessary. However, the most egregious offenders of grind are being replaced, as needed. However, we also acknowledge, no matter what steps are taken to find the sweet spot, we're going to get people yelling about how much grind there is. Even if they haven't played through the system at all...

Sounds awesome. I am looking forward to running Gunbad again.

Thanks again for all the work! #2MoreWeeks!

can enter 6 man the gunbad or all players can go in for doing the pqs there? then we must hope the 6 man group, winning a bag?

mogt wrote:can enter 6 man the gunbad or all players can go in for doing the pqs there? then we must hope the 6 man group, winning a bag?

I believe the intent is for it to be a 6-man dungeon throughout.

^
Correct

And why this is good idea you will see when we release Onslaught as open for all free for all PQs .