Return of Reckoning

Toldavf wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:45 am

Spoiler:

As i recall a wounds buff sive increase was on the cards on live at one point.

Aurandilaz wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 4:30 pm What about the proc randomly triggering some of these for the party;
+10% parry
+10% dodge
+10% disrupt
+10% reduced chance to be crit
+10% speed
+10% physical damage mitigation

Or what else.
Say, the proc gets and ICD of 2? seconds, and each buff lasts maybe 5? seconds, it would randomly provide variety of choice to the party nearby, same way statsteal randomly gives good stuff or sometimes gives stuff not helping in that situation (like steal ballistic skill from a sorc, or Int from a tank).
Or ICD of 3 sec and 10 sec effect. And lot of randomness.

Alternatively, it could also debuff those, while stealing the benefit to own party. Randomly.
(maybe debuff by 5% and buff by 10%, not sure)

Just throwing ideas, they are probably flawed.

Suggesting these, because whilst groupwide absorb buff would help PB, it would still lose most of time against the benefits of stat stealing.

DokB wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:27 am Even if you improved the wounds buff value to something similar to Toldavf’s screenshot, Da Toughest doesn’t stack with your Conq proc (or any other wounds buff I believe – Unless I missed a skill that works differently and works like a tactic in regards to stacking - maybe Zealot wounds buff?) which makes it undesirable. Even 100 wounds is quite easy to burn through in 10 seconds, in 6v6 and especially RvR WB play so it will remain a bad war bellow IMO. Definitely not something worth swapping to at 55AP and praying it procs before swapping back to DB/DG.

I don’t want to stall the discussion, but the proposed solutions aren’t really going to make the skill any more desirable the way I see it. BO has a lot more issues in their mid/right tree and Da Toughest is only a small part of that. Not sure if it’s my place to suggest a different proposal, but the discussion from last year on DT had some decent ideas if I remember correctly.

Acidic wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:53 am

Aurandilaz wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 4:30 pm What about the proc randomly triggering some of these for the party;
+10% parry
+10% dodge
+10% disrupt
+10% reduced chance to be crit
+10% speed
+10% physical damage mitigation

Or what else.
Say, the proc gets and ICD of 2? seconds, and each buff lasts maybe 5? seconds, it would randomly provide variety of choice to the party nearby, same way statsteal randomly gives good stuff or sometimes gives stuff not helping in that situation (like steal ballistic skill from a sorc, or Int from a tank).
Or ICD of 3 sec and 10 sec effect. And lot of randomness.

Alternatively, it could also debuff those, while stealing the benefit to own party. Randomly.
(maybe debuff by 5% and buff by 10%, not sure)

Just throwing ideas, they are probably flawed.

Suggesting these, because whilst groupwide absorb buff would help PB, it would still lose most of time against the benefits of stat stealing.

Stealing a post from the sword master proposal discution that I think maps very well to what I would like to see for this war bellow

Acidic wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 10:47 am

Spoiler:

Bignusty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:58 am

DokB wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:27 am Even if you improved the wounds buff value to something similar to Toldavf’s screenshot, Da Toughest doesn’t stack with your Conq proc (or any other wounds buff I believe – Unless I missed a skill that works differently and works like a tactic in regards to stacking - maybe Zealot wounds buff?) which makes it undesirable. Even 100 wounds is quite easy to burn through in 10 seconds, in 6v6 and especially RvR WB play so it will remain a bad war bellow IMO. Definitely not something worth swapping to at 55AP and praying it procs before swapping back to DB/DG.

I don’t want to stall the discussion, but the proposed solutions aren’t really going to make the skill any more desirable the way I see it. BO has a lot more issues in their mid/right tree and Da Toughest is only a small part of that. Not sure if it’s my place to suggest a different proposal, but the discussion from last year on DT had some decent ideas if I remember correctly.

It is 1 proposal but im open for all idea because this cry need to be reworked first as a party buff + i'm agree 100 wounds is quite easy to brun but with a party buff + healer support and switching guard it will be a good begin.

Acidic wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:53 am
Stealing a post from the sword master proposal discution that I think maps very well to what I would like to see for this war bellow

Its a good idea but we dont need to remove the core of the cry or maybe you r talking about to add 1 more randomly proc like you say above + the party wound buff ? that is insteresting if i'm right.

Well to me the core wounds buff is not interesting, does not stack well and low value so I see little Value in it. However I see a good potential for alternate group steel of the type parry dodge ....
This would certainly give this a place to have up and would be a competitor to current stat steal
This could be seen as current stat steal being offensive version and this one defensive
But if wounds was something desirable it could also be in the list of defensive stats that are randomly stolen